It’s a bit late now. Australia’s mass-immigration policies over the past several decades have allowed all these groups in.
“Genocide scholars” aren’t a hive mind. It depends which ones you choose to listen to and whether you confuse authority with argument.
Actual genocide looks like the Holocaust or Rwanda: explicit intent to wipe out a people. Read the definition, look at the facts, and think for yourself instead of outsourcing your brain to NGOs and academics who live nowhere near the reality they comment on.
I have done those things. In fact, I was far ahead of many of those organizations in calling it a genocide, based on my interpretation of the facts. I’m just pointing out that many authorities in the field agree with that definition, to counter the idea that it’s just some kind of “emotional” or “political” argument. At best, your personal assessment carries no more weight.
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That just proves the point. You reached a conclusion first, then found authorities who agree with you. That’s not analysis, that’s confirmation bias.
And no, your view doesn’t gain extra weight just because some “academics” share it. Appeals to authority don’t override definitions, intent, or context. Personal assessments aren’t disqualified just because they’re independent, that’s literally how thinking works.
I could just as easily do what you’re doing and cite academics who disagree. For example, here’s a Harvard Law professor explicitly arguing the opposite:
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No, that’s not what I did at all. I’ve already explained it a couple of times.
That’s not what I’m saying, nor an appeal to authority for the reasons I stated.
I never said everyone had to agree with me. You’re the one who seems to think so. Good luck with that
I’m not saying everyone has to agree with you or me, I’m saying citing “many scholars” doesn’t settle anything. You brought them up to give your view extra legitimacy, then backed away when the same move was used against you.
Once you accept that qualified academics disagree, we’re back where we started: definitions, intent, and context.
So the key question is simple: can you actually prove genocidal intent?
Not “I feel it looks like it,” not “the outcome of this war is horrific,” but clear evidence that Israel intends to destroy Palestinians as a people.
So far Israel has facilitated/allowed humanitarian aid at various points and has used evacuation warnings/corridors, whatever you think of how effective or sincere those measures are, they’re inconsistent with a plan to exterminate a people.
It’s also worth noting how odd the genocide claim sounds when Israel has historically supplied large amounts of Gaza’s water and electricity… While Gaza historically supplied Israel with indiscriminate rocket attacks.
No I didn’t. I was just disagreeing with calling such arguments “emotional” and “political”, pointing out that many experts in the field call it genocide. For the third time.
For me, Israel is deliberately killing and starving people in the service of pushing them off of their land. That’s been obvious for a long time. I think that is correctly called genocide.
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This guy must be one of the luckiest guys in the world. Surviving both Oct 7 and the Bondi Beach terrorist attack. Not only surviving it, but also taking a selfie while bleeding.
Strange they wipe the blood off his face before putting on his bandage?
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A thread supposedly dedicated to the terror attack and I haven’t seen one thing about the victims (except perhaps posts meant to depict them as false flag actors). There’s barely any empathy present here, just a mix of conspiratorial ramblings, antisemitic dog whistles, and the usual Israel bashing even those these victims were Aussies. If this was any other group that had been targeted, it’s highly doubtful that this thread would be so lacking in empathy. For the record, here is an article about the actual victims. People who were senselessly killed yesterday by two pieces of absolute garbage.
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And that’s the core disagreement. You’re treating your interpretation of intent as “self-evident”, when intent is precisely what has to be proven not assumed.
If genocide now just means “a war I think is evil and handled terribly,” then congratulations every ugly war in history just got a rebrand. Words are supposed to mean things, not just sound dramatic.
And here’s the part that never gets answered: if this were a genocide, why are Arab Israelis (including Arab Muslim MPs) sitting in Israel’s parliament and participating in the government of a state supposedly committing genocide against their own people?
Well, this is a politics thread. It’s for political discussion. There are also posts still in the Aussie Mass Murder thread. Maybe you should post that there.
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There are a good number of posters who stay away from the politics threads. I don’t participate much in them, although I read/skim through most threads. For what it’s worth, it’s terrible what happened and I was a bit shaken this morning when I read of it and imagined what the families must be going through. On the CNN website, there are four pictures that are repeated, and two of the four try to capture some of the suffering.
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Not sure if the following qualify. You be the judge.
In the end, it does not matter much to the victims, on both sides, how killings are categorized. Loved ones are dead all the same. Blaming one another has not resulted in any improvement for decades, so I feel it’s a waste of time.
Historical Attacks (1948 and Earlier)
Deir Yassin Massacre (April 9, 1948): The most notorious early attack occurred when approximately 120 fighters from the Irgun and Lehi paramilitary groups attacked the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, killing around 107 Palestinians WikipediaEncyclopedia Britannica. Despite the village having a peace pact with neighboring Jewish settlement Givat Shaul, and villagers resisting infiltration by Arab irregulars, the attack proceeded Wikipedia. This massacre greatly accelerated Palestinian flight from their homes and strengthened Arab governments’ resolve to intervene militarily Wikipedia.
During the 1948 war, attacks by the Haganah on major Arab population centers and expulsions by groups like the Irgun and Lehi at locations such as Deir Yassin and Lydda contributed to the exodus of large portions of the Arab population Wikipedia.
Modern Settler Violence (1980s-Present)
Physical violence by settlers against Palestinians in the West Bank began systematically in 1980, when religious settlers created a secret organization called “the Jewish Underground,” which was captured by Israeli authorities in 1984 Wikipedia.
Recent Major Incidents
February 2023 - Huwara Rampage: At least 400 Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian villages in Nablus, including Hawara, killing one man and injuring hundreds. Settlers burned more than 30 homes and at least 100 cars while beating Palestinians with metal rods and rocks Al Jazeera.
April 2024 Raids: Between April 12-16, hundreds of Israeli settlers launched violent raids on Palestinian villages including al-Mughayyir, Duma, Deir Dibwan, Beitin and Aqraba, setting fire to homes, trees and vehicles, killing at least four Palestinians Amnesty International.
Christian Village Attacks (2025): Jewish settlers have attacked Taibeh, the only entirely Christian Palestinian village, setting fires near the Byzantine Christian cemetery and at the 5th-century Church of Al-Khader Vatican News.
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Politics? Is that what we’re calling this? Besides questions about gun control, what “politics” have accompanied other massacres? Kill a bunch of Jews and suddenly everything is on the table, since Israel or something I guess. Some posts here are getting close to basically justifying it based on that even though… again this was a Jewish parade in Australia celebrating friggin’ Hannukah. Not some pro-Israel march (not that that would’ve been right either).
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It would be a mistake to think that Netanyahu and the IDF’s genocide of Gazans and years of oppressing Palestinians did not play a massive role in the radicalization of this shooter. Politics is at the core of this, I would bet on it.
The Bondi Beach victims were innocent, just like the overwhelming majority of the 70,000+ Gazans slaughtered. There lives do not matter more, or less.
It would be extremely foolish to think this all happened in a vacuum. Netanyahu and his Zionist cabal shouldn’t be surprised when their extremist and hardly targeted killings are reciprocated. The best solution: stop the violence and antagonizing, treat Palestinians like humans who have a right to exist instead of inconvenient animals to be culled, and I can imagine much of the kindling for radicalization will go away!
Really not a hard concept.
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It would be extremely foolish to think this all happened in a vacuum. Hamas shouldn’t be surprised when their extremist and hardly targeted killings are reciprocated. The best solution: stop the violence and antagonizing, treat Jews like humans who have a right to exist instead of inconvenient animals to be culled, and I can imagine the kindling for radicalization will go away!
Really not a hard concept.
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Oh yeah because the Palestinians are trying to take over Israel and have committed genocide against them, mostly killing women and children – even though they have repeatedly shown off the technology to surgically take out only the leaders. Today I learned! /s
God it is so easy for certain generations to take the Zionist propaganda hook line sinker. Thankfully their relevance is diminishing, worldwide.
Heinous mass murdering of mostly civilians, the flattening of their homeland, and the inflicting of mass starvation while continuing to murder after a “ceasefire”, causes an ideal climate for radicalization. Pathetic that we can’t agree on that.
Inspiring however, that most of the world these days sees through the Zionist bullshit that has been festering for far too long, with even some Israelis seeing it! Which is impressive, because Israel is ground zero for the brainwashing.
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This started in 1948. It was, and always has been, Israel treating people like animals to be culled.
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Only because the Palestinians don’t have the means to commit genocide. Hamas can only reach mass murder at peace festivals. If they were capable of more you can be sure they would.
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