Canada: A land of dreams or a site of scams for international students?

[anon24369109]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Well Canada can stipulate that immigrants can’t live in big cities unless they have skills that city needs.

Nonsense. The Canadian government cannot stipulate where immigrants live. Nor the US or UK EU Australia or even Taiwan.

[DKaoshuing]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Sure, some tests or something. Show them you can lay a good bead, can diagnose and fix equipment problems, know how to charge and recover refrigerant.

But paper don’t mean much and they’re easy to fudge.

Aussies , make it harder. Need better ENG

Australia to halve immigration intake, toughen English test for students

[ChewDawg]

@anon24369109

Nonsense. The Canadian government cannot stipulate where immigrants live. Nor the US or UK EU Australia or even Taiwan.

Yip–ensured under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms not just for citizens, but also for PR.

Imagine Taiwan doing that for ARC holders lol.

Provision

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:

1. to move to and take up residence in any province; and
2. to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

Charterpedia - Section 6 – Mobility rights (justice.gc.ca)

[TT]

@anon24369109

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Well Canada can stipulate that immigrants can’t live in big cities unless they have skills that city needs.

Nonsense. The Canadian government cannot stipulate where immigrants live. Nor the US or UK EU Australia or even Taiwan

Treating immigrants like second class citizens would be one way to get those immigration numbers down

But then the complaint would be

@Taiwan_Luthiers

It’s more like domination of nationalism in western countries. They want foreigners out

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

So the government is helpless and their hands are tied if the entire population of a country wants to live in one big city, crowding it beyond all hopes while the rest of the country goes empty?

[anon24369109]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

So the government is helpless and their hands are tied if the entire population of a country wants to live in one big city, crowding it beyond all hopes while the rest of the country goes empty?

Yes

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Well maybe some control is necessary then, because this kind of thing can screw up a country and is unsustainable.

[TT]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Well maybe some control is necessary then, because this kind of thing can screw up a country and is unsustainable.

The free world has the free market mechanism which helps explain why this hasn’t been an issue. The problem is already solved.

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Then maybe they need to make it attractive for people to live in more spaceous area

[TT]

Who is “they”?

[TT]

Actually, it doesn’t matter. Canada is not really different from Taiwan in this regard. Or any free country.

[ChewDawg]

It is enshrined in the Charter. Canadians and permanent residents can move freely. That being said, there are more interprovincial barriers to trade and investment than international ones, but less so on labour mobility… Yes, that’s right. Less US-Canadian barriers than some between provinces because of Auto Pact, NAFTA, etc. Spent a large amount of time trying to liberalize this provincially but “all politics is local” .

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Fine, people want to immigrate to Canada, cities are crowded because everyone wants to go to the cities. Why not just loosen immigration, let anyone in on the condition that they reside in a rural area with a view of developing those areas?

I mean it’s not like permanent residence is a right but what if there was an easy track to that, all you have to do is be willing to live in rural areas.

[TT]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Why not just loosen immigration, let anyone in on the condition that they reside in a rural area with a view of developing those areas?

Because

Canada: A land of dreams or a site of scams for international students?

Yip–ensured under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms not just for citizens, but also for PR. Imagine Taiwan doing that for ARC holders lol. Provision (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. (2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right: to move to and take up residence in any province; and to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province. Charterpedia - S…

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

When you get a visa to a country, for whatever reason, they can set conditions.

They can say live in Yukon for 5 years, after this you become a Canadian permanent resident/citizen and can live wherever you like.

[xtrain]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

More like lack of will. If space isn’t there, build up. How do you think Hong Kong can cope? It has probably the densest population in the world.

1. People have to want to live in a box with no yard rather than a single-family house: that is not the norm here, as it is in Taiwan/HK. It takes some getting used to even for those who aren’t 100% against it.
2. There are municipal laws in Vancouver regarding view corridors, so that you aren’t simply staring at your neighbors every day from such a close proximity that you know how much salt they put on their egg. I lived in Taiwan for over a decade, and travelled to HK. I’m well aware of their densities.
3. 90% of Canadians live within 100 km of the Can/US border for a reason … are you seriously suggesting that people used to a somewhat mild climate are forced to move to Whitehorse, where it’s cold as a witch’s tit 9 months of the year, food costs are crazy, and surprise … there’s no housing.

You haven’t addressed any of the other points I noted–the infrastructure isn’t here for the amount of people that are here after several years of high immigration.

@Taiwan_Luthiers

It’s more like domination of nationalism in western countries. They want foreigners out.

I’m not anti-immigration, and understand why it’s necessary, but there needs to be a plan. BTW, Vancouver is already more than 50% non-white.

[afterspivak]

@xtrain

BTW, Vancouver is already more than 50% non-white

Hey before colonization began in earnest in the 19th century, it was 100% “non-white”! Traditionalists can say it’s time to get back to our roots.

And given the line of your positions, perhaps you could think through a little bit more about what exactly you are saying.

Cheers,
Guy

[TT]

@afterspivak

Hey before colonization began in earnest in the 19th century, it was 100% “non-white”! Traditionalists can say it’s time to get back to our roots.

And given the line of your positions, perhaps you could think through a little bit more about what exactly you are saying.

So what you’re saying is, diversity is bad.

[afterspivak]

What I am saying is understand the history of Vancouver before relying on categories like “non-white” to presumably support a position.

Guy

[TT]

@afterspivak

What I am saying is understand the history of Vancouver before relying on categories like “non-white” to presumably support a position.

To push back against this

@Taiwan_Luthiers

More like lack of will. If space isn’t there, build up. How do you think Hong Kong can cope? It has probably the densest population in the world.

It’s more like domination of nationalism in western countries. They want foreigners out.

I think it is fine. Much more intelligent response than to say in the past there were even fewer foreigners and some people miss the good old days!