Getting all aggressive, are we Japan?
atimes.com/atimes/Japan/LJ23Dh01.html
And the fishing boat incident:
theaustralian.com.au/news/wo … 5949620671
Man, settle down China! I know there’s a long history of this sort of thing, but it worries me nonetheless. Tell me nothing will happen.
I’m not watching the whole 44 minute video, but here are some highlights with the background of a right wing rally in Tokyo
weird. some professor said from the fishing boat’s speed and towing some lines that it seems more likely the Japanese boat cut across the path of the fishing boat. Dunno if the professor (HK) is pro-China. Just interesting ‘viewpoint.’ Haven’t looked at the video closely to tell the difference.
Check out this link. It shows both collisions. The first one looks totally the fault of the Chinese boat. The second one is harder to judge, because you can’t determine if the Japanese boat changed course because the video is from the Japanese boat. But it seems to me that the Chinese boat did change course a bit as there seems to be some angle between it’s path just before the collision and it’s wake.
how many collisions were there? I mean, were they playing a game of chicken on the high seas?
If you look at the video at 1:34 and look at the trail in the water behind the Chinese boat you’ll see that the boat is turning left towards the Japanese boat.
Yes, Jack, they DO play chicken out there. Nutters. You have NO IDEA how often this kind of thing happens. My nephew is on one of the ROC patrol boats and according to him, the Taiwanese fishing boat skippers absolutely DO play chicken. Their boats are relatively cheap and they don’t own them. The owners are back in Kaohsiung or wherever and all they have to rely on are radio reports – from their own skippers.
Dunno about the Senkakus, but elsewhere, the deal is, you sail out, drop some nets for appearance sake, and then hook up with a Chinese boat at sea, transfer the Chinese haul, fill your hold at FAR cheaper prices than the actual cost of fishing, and make back for port. Standard practice. The governments on both sides know this perfectly well, but what can they do? Arrest them? MAAAAA-Fan!!! And ultimately far more expensive than just making a show. Now and again, of course, they make a show of “commanding the high seas” but that’s all it is. Show.
This whole thing is just a normal situation that got a little more out of hand than usual. And plus, the Japanese and Chinese fishing boats also engage in the very same gambits ALL the time. Every day, basically.
I wonder if one of these fishing boats rams a US navy patrol craft what the response would be. I think the US navy would just blow the thing out of the water. Apologize later. End of story. And it wouldnt happen again.
Settle down there cowboy, the US isn’t even blowing Somali pirates out of the water yet.
But anyway, the possible US response is not the point of this thread.
I don’t think that this happened is so interesting by itself. I think the story here is that the incident was kept secret and the video footage was leaked. Japan chose not to raise a stink over it. The big question is WHY?
These are tough times between China and Japan. Japan is economically weak and China is economically strong. Trade wars have a way of escalating into real wars. China really has nothing to lose provoking Japan, but this plus China announcing that they claim ownership of Okinawa are mighty ballsy.
China has tons to lose by this kind of idiocy. Maybe the people involved don’t think so. Maybe the government would be stupid enough to think it didn’t. International opinion would definitely come down heavily on the side of Japan if it ever came to a war between the two countries. I really can’t see it ever coming to that, but even if the West didn’t want to get involved (and really, if it actually did come to a war, I can’t imagine the U.S. would just sit back and watch one of the cornerstones of its Asia-Pacific military strategy get knocked down a peg or two because that would be knocking the U.S. down by proxy), I think there’d be a whole lot of other nations in Asia that would be feeling pretty edgy about China nonchalantly taking a bite out of Japan because they’d see themselves as next on the menu. India and Vietnam spring instantly to mind. As for claiming Okinawa, that’s just laughable.
Hahahahahahaha
… but then I’ve said that a lot about modern China.
I agree in theory. I don’t think they’re coming for Okinawa anytime soon. But the fact that they feel they can say it is worrisome.
China enjoys taunting Japan. Japan does not like being taunted by China, it’s a big blow to their pride. This is going to simmer for a while.
I’ll be interested to see how this affects Japan’s nuclear ambitions.
It’s just China being an adolescent. No longer a child on the world stage, it feels it’s able to stand up and play with the big boys. It doesn’t realise that’s not exactly how the big boys play with each other, otherwise the others hold the offender down and take turns punching it in the stomach. If anything, it’s a sign of China’s immaturity. If it is to grow into its role as a major geo-political power, it will need to ripen a bit.
tensions in the region has been escalating for the past year or two, probably backed USA who wants to ante up on the trade and currency talks.
add NK-SK to the mix, it’ll be interesting for a while.
The scary thing about this is that the nationalistic views are driven by the populance at large. The CCP has been trying to downplay the Islands incident but is under pressure from the general public to do something about it.
I believe that if people in the PRC were given universal suffrage right now, there’s a pretty good chance that they would elect a highly nationalistic government.
Such a government would be a disaster for them as it would end up biting off way more than it could chew.
I’m confused by this incident.
2 years back, a Japanese coast guard rammed a Taiwanese (PART OF CHINA!!!) ship and the Chinese were up in arms about it and demanded an apology.
This time a Chinese ship rammed a Japanese coast guard and the Chinese are STILL up in arms and STILL want an apology.
Fair point! And if the Saudis could vote it would probably be a fundamentalist government. Democracy is a two-edged sword, sometimes.
No, this time it’s still the Japanese coast guard ramming a Chinese boat, that and for illegally detaining the boat’s crew for weeks.
Palestine being a prime example. Democratic elections a few years ago that international observers declared to be basically fair, Hamas got elected and so the world imposed sanctions. If people are going to encourage democracy, they can’t turn their backs when a govt they don’t like gets elected.
Hey, you must live in China, as you obviously have not seen the video! It’s clear as the light that shines out of my arse.
and it’s Japanese waters around Japanese islands and he was illegally fishing. How plain is that in the video?
Or maybe as you work for the CCP you HAVE seen the video but still are just doing your job of misinformation and propaganda. Nothing we have seen from you has ever challenged that view.
damn fiftycenter.