Again, please explain more what and why is happening.
Yes, one of the worldâs most successful businessmen being âreprimandedâ by the government and being forced to hand over a âlarge amount of his businessâ to the state is not âsomethingâ.
I wonât call you a China shill or apologist because I donât know you. But perhaps youâll consider that your nonchalant, âthis is how it works in China and thereâs nothing to see hereâ attitude is precisely what China is working to propagate outside its borders.
Itâs one thing for people in China to be brainwashed and desensitized to the CCPâs evil but itâs another for people outside of its borders to fall victim to the CCPâs propaganda machine.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil in the 21st century is for good people to pretend that evil is normal.
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So you have direct insight to where he is 
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Bill Gates of China just disappearsâŚItâs business as usual.
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Maybe heâs Jack Ma?
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Oh donât be ridiculous and self-aggrandizing. Honestly you seem to be a bit up yourself here. Calm down with your frankly silly language.
You have no idea what happened to him. Iâm the single most Anti CCP person I know and spent the last 20 years in and out of China and reading about the CCP.
What do you think being reprimanded means. Iâm all ears as you are such an all-knowing China expert.
He will lose the financial side of his business and be told to concentrate on e-commerce is what will likely happen.
Jack Ma isnât such an innocent guy, he is a player in game
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Do u know where he is? People here seem sure he is in a labor camp or something.
Chinese media are the ones running with the story first that he hasnât been seen. Fan Bing Bing wasnât seen for a while when she didnât pay taxes and then was seen again.
What a ridiculous thing to write.
I donât knowâŚNobody knows.
Itâs crazy that disappearing and reappearing famous people is normalised in China.
I mean they do it with regular people and intellectuals etc but I guess they (he) tries to make an example with the more powerful famous ones too.
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Yes, but in jack Maâs case we have ideas of where he went wrong. Mostly as his Business was too risky and had too much foreign investment. He fraternizes with top party members , and is party of Jiang clique so wouldnât just come out of the blue.
I think itâs shit, but these wealthy people are players in the game as well. You donât get to that position in China without having connections and working with the party.
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Honestly you seem to be a bit up yourself here.
Since youâve spent so much time in China and studying the CCP, perhaps you should consider Nietzsche:
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.
You donât get it, do you? Iâm suggesting that what you believe is happening to him is abhorrent and should not be brushed off as âthis is just the way they do things in China, no big deal.â
The CCP doesnât need to give Ma the Khashoggi treatment for it to be evil.
So what? Does that justify Chinaâs MO?
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My guess is that because of importance of Alibaba in terms of Maâs public image and also importance of foreign investment , he will resurface soon and be told to keep his mouth shut.
The finance and infrastructure side of his business will be carved up. 95% sure that will happen
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Who said itâs not a big deal. He played the game , flew close to the sun and this is what happened.
Iâm realistic about China. You can play fantasy if you want.
What do u think is happening to him? You have no idea apart from your own fantasy
You donât come off as a realist; you come off as an apologist.
I think what you suggest is likely. And I find that evil and worthy of contempt and condemnation.
Yes itâs not fucking great and I havenât said otherwise. China is a Leninist state
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You need to understand that the wealthy in China are rarely innocent.
Why do u think this is happening? What did he do wrong?
Heâs rich and famous but his biggest problem is his popularity and his loud mouth.
I think less so, the mouth thing slightly.
I think business wise he was doing too much that the party wouldnât like , especially competing against state owned banks with his financial services.
Itâs kind of ridiculous in China. Ali own nearly the whole of retail through taobao and tmall , then payments and lending through Ant. Plus national logistics through Cainiao and also the supply chain in sorts through Alibaba.
Really nobody should have that type of monopoly and it was never going to last forever in China. 80% of investment comes from overseas, meaning for the CCP, Alibaba has vested interest to satisfy shareholders abroad. If that is the case and they own so much vital infrastructure, the State is going to view you as a threat.
One analyst was saying that Ali probably has more data points on citizens than the State does. Again not going to wash under that system
The problem with Ant financial is that itâs not a bank but itâs behaving as one. It lends out a lot of money and doesnât have the reserves that a bank has. Beijing thought there was a risk of this leading to something like a sub prime crisis in the US. Fundamentally they are risk adverse , which is why the started bearing down on Ma.
I donât think he is being punished because of his outburst, but rather his outburst was a reaction to knowing he was about to be punished.
There are things he knowingly did to annoy Xi and he has been protected by Jiang, but his luck rolled out and now he will lose some of his business
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You wouldnât apologize for the Nazis under the rationale that âNazi Germany doesnât work the way America doesâ, would you? If not, you should consider the wisdom of applying the same rationale to the CCPâs behavior.
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Yep, I wouldnât apologize for the Nazis , absolutely correct and I also wouldnât apologize for the Chinese government.
I removed a number of less than civil posts, keep it civil please.
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Probably just laying low in Hangzhou
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