I just talked to a Memphis lawyer I know who has been following the case. He said that one thing that has not come out in the papers yet is that the Chinese father has a long criminal record in the US. This lawyer didn’t know any details. This may be something that will appear in the judge’s decision on the case. I feel so sorry for that poor little girl. Both sets of parents disgust me.
Sounds odd. It can be difficult for an alien to remain in the US if he has one, let alone a number of, criminal convictions.
Doesn’t sound right.
Sounds odd. It can be difficult for an alien to remain in the US if he has one, let alone a number of, criminal convictions.
Doesn’t sound right.[/quote]
That’s what I thought, too. Perhaps there is a lot more to his being kicked out of the University of Memphis than just a sexual harrassment accusation. However, I know an immigration lawyer who has been able to push back the deportation of her clients for years after convictions for felonies. He may also have committed crimes on a previous stay in the states and then re-entered on a new passport.
An update on this court case:
Anna Mae stays
Judge voids parental rights of Chinese parents
By By Shirley Downing
Contact
May 13, 2004
A Chinese couple lost their plea Wednesday for the return of their 5-year-old from a Cordova couple who have cared for the girl since shortly after birth.
Circuit Court Judge Robert ‘Butch’ Childers ruled it is in the best interests of Anna Mae He to remain with mortgage banker Jerry Baker and his homemaker wife, Louise.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_2880337,00.html
The full text of the judge’s decision is available on the website of the Memphis Commercial Appeal. It is quite damning of the Hes. I rarely read court decisions, but this one includes lots of juicy drama that wasn’t in any of the newspapers-well worth reading. Before the judge’s decision was made public, I wasn’t so sure who I thought should have custody of the girl. After reading the decision, I have no doubt in my mind that the judge was correct in denying the Hes’ request for custody. These two people make me sick. Sadly, I know of plenty of Chinese people who would do the same if in the Hes’ situation. What’s more sickening is the blind support given by the Chinese community in Memphis. It seems to me that the only fact in this case that they’re concerned with is that the Hes are Chinese; none of the Hes’ ethnic Chinese supporters seems to give a damn about how twisted the Hes were shown to be at trial.
I think this is just another typical story of how immigrants are usually prey upon in the USA. Unfortunately, they lost a child in this incident.
The case brings up immigration issues as fact that the He could not be good parents. I find this tactic to be very culturally biased. What does the He’s ability or lack there of securing permenant residency have anything to do with being good parents. There are plenty of illegal Chinese immigrants in the USA that raise kids and send them to ivy league schools to lead productive adult lives.
Look at this quote…
[quote]"AMH
You obviously failed to read the ruling before writing your comment. Rather than the He’s being preyed upon, they preyed upon the system. They lied about their marraige in order to get her visa; before they signed the legal documents they were advised by at least two experts with full translation what they were getting into; they failed to mention to their own legal counsel in the visa and sexual harrassment cases that they even had a daughter; Mr. He doubted that the child was even his at first; and they only filed motions to get their daughter back when their residency status was invalidated. There are other things too … Mr. He tried to claim another woman as his wife in order to get her a visa; they didn’t even visit their daughter for a four month period, even though they had the right to do so; Mr. He committed perjury; etc. etc.
I was of the mind that these two were innocent dupes, based on the extremely biased reporting on this case on the part of the Chinese press in the United States. It is clear to me now that they were not dupes, based on the evidence presented at court.
What a terrible, idiotic thing to say. Do you speak for all Asians, or just a select group of ignorant ones?
The little girl will no doubt have some identity issues to deal with later on, but to suggest that all Asians will treat her badly or assumed she has been “brainwashed” by adoptive parents is an insult to her, her parents, and most Asian people as well.
klaxon,
If He family were just low life why would the Committee of 100 and the PRC government even try to get involved in the case. Do you know who makes up the Committee of 100 in the USA. These Chinese-Americans would not want their names associated with a low life.
I read the court summary as well. No where in the conclusion did I see evidence that the He would be worse parents than the Bakers. What I did read was just a bunch of generalizations about Chinese families that are recent immigrants.
Immigrants need to struggle to establish permenant residency. Immigrants need to struggle with English. Immigrants usually need to work very hard.
Let’s say the case was reversed and it occured that a white couple in ROC had to give up their white baby to a Chinese family in ROC due to similar legalities and short term economic hardships.
The white couple are not fluent in Chinese and are functionally illiterate. The white couple have expired ARC and visas. The white couple are not Buddist. The white couple are poor.
Would it be okay to deport the white couple and keep their child in ROC?
I speak for the ones that usually disdain other asians that forget their roots while growing up abroad. We make up quite a good percentage of asian community. But I guess not being part of the community you have no clue. I’m just pointing out a common asian belief in the USA.
I suggest, morality aside, she will be alienated by both whites and asians in the USA as she gets older. She will be like other asian adoptee and have a more difficult struggle with identity since she will be brought up not only outside a ethnic enclave but will have no culture cue at home explain her difference in a very phenotypical sensitive culture of the USA.
And how do I know it will be difficult. Maybe because I’m a Chinese immigrant that grew up in the USA. Maybe because I observed Chinese adoptee and dated them. Maybe because I seen different Chinese families all over the USA, and they were willing to share their immigrant experiences with me.
That being the case I can only think of Woody Allen’s situation at this point. And hope this does not end up like that.
It has also been noted that the Baker family are “Jesus Freaks” that feel it is their duty to save the soul of this Chinese-American girl. I usually disdain the evangelical side of Christianity. I am happy to hear the Baker Family hit finacial difficulties trying to win this case. It is ironic because they claimed their “affluence” was one factor that favored them keeping the child. I guess they were not as affluent as they originally thought.
I bet the foster parents will have the kid wear a helmet when they take her for a ride on a motorcycle.
Alot of the tradition crap that parents do to their kids here in Taiwan would been seen as child abuse and neglect in the west. I hope for the kid’s sake, that she gets to stay in the US.
I look at it the same way I look at the stray dog population in Taiwan. IMHO they are not abandoned. They escaped! This little girl escaped from her worthess Taiwanese parents. Smart enough to go to med school, but now complaining of a language barrier? What the hell?
Regarding what Asians would think of the little girl when she grows up, who cares? Since when did that matter? Asian women adapt very well in the US culture. Its the Asian men that have a problem. modelminority.com/article159.html
Oh, and if you did miss Oprah the other day, they had on some Sex Experts from the UK and the study is in - Penis Size, Blacks are the biggest, Asians are the smallest. I was getting so sick and tired of this “we are all the same crap”.
I have no idea why the group of 100 would have more moral authority to judge a cause than 100 ordinary people, but a lot of big shots get associated with bad causes for the wrong reasons – history is filled with examples. In this case the reasons why the 100 supported the case seem to be a) the He’s MUST be right because they are Chinese and b) they are obviously ignorant of American law, and didn’t understand what they were signing. The first point is pretty pathetic and the second was destroyed by evidence presented in court. It seems this group eagerly signed up in the early stages of the trial, and can’t back out after all the evidence came to light because 1) they were unable to attend the whole trial, and don’t know all of the evidence, and 2) would lose face if they did.
What court summary were you looking at? If past evidence is an indication of future behavior, then the He’s don’t look so good. Mr He didn’t even want to admit his paternity for the little girl at first, and never mentioned to his counsel in other cases that he even had a daughter. Both failed to visit her for four months, even though they had the right to do so. Does this sound like good parenting to you?
It seems like that’s all you read … that is, the half-dozen points out of more than 100 that support your views about why American is such a racist society. That is, you read a few generalizations, and ignored a lot of specifics about the case.
All of your points are accurate. But none of them gives anyone an excuse to lie to get a visa for someone else. This is what Mr. He did to bring Luo into the country. He even attempted to claim someone else as his wife to bring her in as well. This is far different than most other legal immigrants to the United States.
A Chinese family adopting a baby of another non-Asian race? Your extremely unlikely situation aside, your example is flawed. Mr. He could speak English at a graduate level, and both of them had translators present on two separate occaisions when the legal ramifications of the contract was explained. They were also able to pay for numerous vacations and a new computer during the time they were supposedly experiencing “economic hardships”. All things being equal, if your poor white couple gave up their baby in the same circumstances, they would not get my sympathy.
Common belief? Is it just Taiwanese Americans, or all people that look “asian”? Pretty sad if it’s true. Even sadder that you admit to being a part of it.
I suggest, your idiocy aside, that you are full of shit. Why don’t you dispense with the big words and show some proof that she will be alienated.
So, you were alienated by other Asians in the USA? Or just Chinese?
Oh, you are an expert on adoptees based on dating experience! I guess that makes me an expert too … on Mormons, Jews, Americans, Taiwanese …
What do you mean? All of the Chinese families were alienated from other Chinese, or spittingly expressed contempt for adoptees who dared to succumb to brainwashing by devious white couples?
That’s all you can think of? Woody Allen, and the possibility that the Bakers will divorce, and the stepfather will evetually make a move for the daughter?
You use quotes, so I take it you are citing some source, which also alleges that they are saving the soul of the girl. What source is that?
I can imagine you with a big smile on your face, laughing at the outcome of this tragic case. It fits in with every other stupid thing you’ve said in your post.
Why is it ok to be Buddhist, but not Christian? :s
You obviously failed to read the ruling before writing your comment. [/quote]
Now now Klaxon, you don’t expect AC to actually bother himself with understanding the facts of a situation do you? Why should he do that when he can just twist his token understanding until it conforms to his idea of the way things should be. Usually that is that someone or some group he does not like is racist, not him though.
ac_dropout…I sincerely hope you taught those nasty bigoted Americans a lesson by renouncing your U.S. citizenship, never speaking English again, and signing up for your army service in Taiwan. 
Maoman,
The Baker’s on numerous occassion have cited their religious faith and affluence and sterotype of China as a reason why AMH should remain in their custody.
klaxon,
Your ignorance of Chinese Americans is appalling. These are not just 100 people that are too rich for their own good. Just look at the people that are on the board and governors. They don’t just write a blank check to support the He’s if they knew they were ill reputed people.
If that the case. The Bakers have a history of cheating Chinese Americans. What evidence is there that they would be good parents for a Chinese American. They took their own daughter out of college to fund the case. A Chinese American would have sold their kidney first before letting their kid dropout of college due to fanicial reasons the parents caused. This is evidence enough for me they will not raise this girl properly. Education above all is the Chinese American way. The Bakers think God above all is the way.
What does this have to do with being a good parent? Have you seen foriegners behaviors when it came to establishing ARC and Visa to reside in ROC.
Why in your double standard world only whites can be afforded this luxury. What a bigot you are.
Come hang out with some Chinese Americans. Oh you’re not. We won’t hang out with you then. Oh your a bananna. Well too bad too.
What I mean is that when one is an active participant in the Chinese American community. One has an opportunity to meet Chinese American from all walks of life. Urban, Suburban, boon dock hicks. One sees a tendency that the further remove from a viable Chinese community a child is raised in the more chance there are for identity issues in their adult life. AHM will hardly be raised in an environment that will allow her to develop an indentity without issues.
Why you know of another example where a white parent of an asian adoptee took sexual advantage of her as well. please share.
Hey at least I’m honest with myself about race relations in the USA. And don’t fact behind some Liberal BS about PC ideals.
I noticed the white christian version of Committee of 100 didn’t jump out and finacially support the Baker’s case either. I wonder why. Maybe because it would have been political suicide.
Maoman,
There is no evangelism in Buddism. They don’t try to shove it down your throat like the Christains bent on saving souls.
Vannyel,
I donated to the Committee of 100 and watched with glee as the finacial ruins of the Bakers occurred though. hahahaha.
daltongang,
Just like your “facts” of Taiwan history and politics I assume.
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Just like your “facts” of Taiwan history and politics I assume.[/quote]
No, like facts. pesky little things, huh?
daltongang,
Annoying facts they can be used to prove anything these day. 
But anyways below is a link to the court decision.
wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S= … v=3HvDN4ah
My gripe is that the case against Mr. and Mrs. He more or less hinges on their past behavior trying to establish residency in the USA. Sort of like foriegners in ROC trying to use whatever method available to stay in ROC to hold a job. I contend this behavior is rational for any immigrant and doesn’t mitigate their character as parents.
If one spends time on the rest of ruling the Court claims that since AMH has spend 5 years with the Baker’s. There is no point in returning her. Since a family bond has formed with the Baker’s.
I would also not that if the He are such bad parents. Shouldn’t their 2 other children they had after AMH also be taken away in the government custody.
Like I mention the whole ruling reeks with cultural bias. Nothing good is ever going to come of this.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
My gripe is that the case against Mr. and Mrs. He more or less hinges on their past behavior trying to establish residency in the USA. Sort of like foriegners in ROC trying to use whatever method available to stay in ROC to hold a job. I contend this behavior is rational for any immigrant and doesn’t mitigate their character as parents.[/quote]
That and about 18,000 other things.
[quote]
I would also not that if the He are such bad parents. Shouldn’t their 2 other children they had after AMH also be taken away in the government custody.[/quote]
that is plainly outside the scope of the legal question at hand.
Oh my God. The Chinese people lost, so it was a racist decision. Now that reeks.
good things don’t happen when people handle their affairs like the He’s did. their nationality or race is irrelevant.
Wow, that made for some fantastic reading, that whole court decision jobbie whatsit. I liked the bits about having to have the police remove the wife from their house, and them trying to kidnap the child at the supermarket. The ‘frothing at the mouth’ episode clearly shows a balanced person. But the husband’s lies and deceit… well that was just awesome.
Added bonus was the Hes bringing over those other people and getting the kid to call them ‘mawmaw and pawpaw’. I wonder why they did that? Let’s all sit around scratching our chins, going 'Hmmmm…" And then ‘enticing with food’! Isn’t that only from the movies, trying to call the puppy with a doggie treat?!
Well, at least the kid is worth more to the Bakers than money is. Hardly the same can be said about the Hes.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
Your ignorance of Chinese Americans is appalling. These are not just 100 people that are too rich for their own good. Just look at the people that are on the board and governors. They don’t just write a blank check to support the He’s if they knew they were ill reputed people.[/quote]
That’s my point, dummy. They DIDN’T know what they were getting into when they got behind the He’s. They gave support on the basis that they are Chinese and the false assumption that they were being manipulated by the U.S. legal system. They couldn’t know the facts before they were presented in court, and once they were, it was too late to back out without losing face. And if the Committee of 100 is still 100% behind the He’s, how come their website does not have any prominent mention of this case?
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
If that the case.[/quote]
It IS the case – Mr. He denied paternity, they both signed over their child after hearing a full translation of the legal ramifications, they didn’t visit their daughter for four months, blew money on vacations while claiming financial hardship. What part of the summary don’t you understand? Are you ignorant, or just in denial?
Prove it.
Actually, it sounds to me like the Bakers value love for their adopted daughter more than money. Is that a difficult concept for you to understand?
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
What does this have to do with being a good parent?[/quote]
Absolutely nothing. You took my quote out of context. What I originally said was in your response to your statement about how tough things are for immigrants, not about parenting. I responded by pointing out that unlike most other legal immigrants to the country, Mr. He broke immigration law twice, and lied on a sworn statement. Before you respond next time, read carefully what I say, and don’t take what I say out of context.
I am quite familiar with the ARC process, having successfully applied for multiple ARCs in the 90s with the help of my employers. I did it legally, and never heard of anyone getting an ARC illegally. But if they did and got caught, they would deserve to be thrown out of the country, and not allowed back in. Ditto for willfully breaking the terms of a visa.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
Why in your double standard world only whites can be afforded this luxury. What a bigot you are.[/quote]
Actually, the bigotry is on the part of Taiwanese society. Otherwise we’d be seeing a lot more adoptees from Russia, Romania, Africa, etc., in Taiwan.
Come hang out with some Chinese Americans. Oh you’re not. We won’t hang out with you then. Oh your a bananna. Well too bad too.[/quote]
Huh? If this is your account of a typical encounter between asian adoptees and “real” Asian-Americans, that’s pretty pathetic. You mentioned that you dated an adoptee. Is this is how you got the party started with her?
Why you know of another example where a white parent of an Asian adoptee took sexual advantage of her as well. please share.[/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about? You are the one who brought up Woody Allen, and with an insinuation that this might happen to the girl in Tennessee.
Hey at least I’m honest with myself about race relations in the USA. And don’t fact behind some Liberal BS about PC ideals.[/quote]
Your response shows the only thing you are honest about is your own bigotry and stupidity.
Sigh Another WTF moment – typical for the drivel you’ve posted on this topic. ac_dropout, I hate to break your bubble, but there is no Committee of 100 white Christians who automatically rally to the defense of poor oppressed white people on the basis of race or religion.
Next time do some research before opening your mouth, and respond to the central issues to the case. The He’s are not innocent victims of a racist society, as you would like to believe. They have only themselves to blame for this tragic situation.
klaxon,
How do you know this. Are you in the Committee of 100. And what make you think the legal system in TN are all that great. How many judges and lawyers have this case been through already?
Crappy translator.
After some very questionable actions on the Baker’s part
The Baker’s did not go on vacation for 5 years? Sold their home and took their kids out of school over this case. Real sound financial decision on the Baker’s part.
It a culturally slanted opinion. If a Chinese person sold family land and took their kids out of college to fund a legal action to take someone else kid, he would not be regarded very high in the Chinese community. It is conflicts like this which are not viewed in a balance context which plague this case.
He lied about his finances like the Bakers. It is like saying we caught the guy speeding so it means he’s a bad parent. No where in the entire case is there direct evidence that the He would be bad parents. Only one cultural opinion after another.
I especially love the case against Mrs. He. She too emotional and irrational because she doesn’t speak English well and knows her kid going to be taken away from her. I wonder how a white woman in Taiwan would react if the Chinese authority told her they were going to take away her kid in Chinese.
You might perceive you were on the right side of the law or acting correct, but under closer scrutiny it was discovered there were certain inconsistency. Dates don’t match. Employer goes out of business. Alleged sexual misconduct. The entire ROC society thinks your the next Chocolate the DJ. Would you think it right to leave your kid behind and let another Chinese family raise the kid.
So Taiwan is bigoted society and the USA is not. Really good.
I think some white girl who we had as a mutual friend thought we should get together since we were both asian. Overtime it become obvious this AF needed to do some soul searching before she was ready for a serious relationship. Hopefully she did and is now a productive adult. If not we know it was her adoptive parents and the environment they choose to raise her in that caused most of the problems.
Really, I always thought the 700 Club always love to support anyone that would bash China.
PS - here is the story behind 4 month abandonment you claim after 5 years of legal battling.
isthisamerica.com/inconsistencies.htm
"Specifically, the 4 months the Bakers are referring to are the months after Anna’s 2nd birthday (Jan 28, 2001) when the Hes were refused when they wanted to take Anna to have a family portrait taken. Casey got upset and the Bakers called the police. The Hes claim they were told not to come back and that they risked arrest if they did. The policeman claims that he told them not to come back that day and when pressed on how he remembers something that happened so long ago and that he never took a report for even though he responds to hundreds of domestic disturbance calls, he says that that’s what he tells everyone. Hmmm…that’s an interesting way to deal with domestic disturbances. So, the Hes stay away for 5 months as they try to navigate the system and find someone who can help them without getting arrested (remember, they have to stay out of trouble or risk getting deported before they get their daughter back). However, by February 15, 2001 Jack was already writing letters to juvenile court and the media trying to get help to no avail. In April 2001 and June 2001 they filed petitions to get Anna back. She was about to be returned in June 2001 when the case was suddenly moved to Judge Alisandratos’ court by Larry Parrish.
There are multiple corroborations in the testimony that the Hes kept trying to visit their daughter, but the Bakers actively discouraged it by throwing up roadblocks and excuses. Sarah Cloud remembers the Hes complaining about it and even Louise Baker herself - in her own handwriting - says that they made a point of trying to get the visits to once every 2 weeks. This journal entry as reported by the NY Times:
[The entries document Mrs. Baker’s distress over the bonding of mother and child and growing frustration as the birth parents demanded more time with their daughter. “We would like to get visits to every other week,” she wrote when Anna Mae was 8 months old. “We feel like they would wean away, but the last two visits we could see Casey is wanting to come more.” ]
Great article! Nothing good will come of this? I think not. The little girl will have the opportunity to grow up w/ two loving and caring white parents. Hell, they could be brown, black, red or purple for all I care. As long as they are not these two Taiwanese idiots, the kids will turn out just fine.