Not wanting to make a big thing of this but what? Unless you have real evidence to the contrary the twist of logic is yours. As I recall the KMT even brought in Dr Henry Lee, a pro-KMT ballistics expert and his conclusion was that it was a kosher assassination attempt. It’s hardly Chen and Lu’s fault that the shooter wasn’t using a high-powered rifle is it? :eh:
There is a lot of suspicion about the whole story…from the extraordinary timing to the superficial nature of the wounds and the alleged suicide of the perpetrator later. I doubt Henry Lu could do much real investigation after the fact and Taiwan can be hopelessly politicised. Whatever result he announced would be judged with suspicion.
Looking at CSB’s behaviour and speeches I wouldn’t entirely put it past him to have staged this. But even if it was a ‘put-up job’ I don’t think many people were in on it.
The shooting of Sean Lien a while back also indicates though that strange things happen here and there are plenty of unhinged people. That story is just as bizarre as is the amazing way the bullet passed through his face without major damage.
You couldn’t make this stuff up!
[quote=“the bear”][quote=“Betelnut”]
For example, green academics can simplify the 319 incident to being 100% real because no one would dare risk their life over a real shooting incident. This was a twist in logic from day 1 because no one suggested in the first place that Chen and Lu had a real shooter pop them in a moving jeep. But yet, you’ll see this line of logic from DPP academics like him.
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Not wanting to make a big thing of this but what? Unless you have real evidence to the contrary the twist of logic is yours. As I recall the KMT even brought in Dr Henry Lee, a pro-KMT ballistics expert and his conclusion was that it was a kosher assassination attempt. It’s hardly Chen and Lu’s fault that the shooter wasn’t using a high-powered rifle is it? :eh:[/quote]
When people start claiming Chen shot himself that’s when you can see who the real nut jobs are.
You know if it wasn’t Chen I might think it’s a ridiculous idea but I believe he is a bit unhinged or extremely calculating or a bit of both. Now that might be due to his fall from grace or he may always have been like that, I’m not sure. Did you see the video of him attending his MIL’s funeral recently?
The showman at work- youtube.com/watch?v=YCNoU-yo … re=related
[quote=“headhonchoII”]You know if it wasn’t Chen I might think it’s a ridiculous idea but I believe he is a bit unhinged or extremely calculating or a bit of both. Now that might be due to his fall from grace or he may always have been like that, I’m not sure. Did you see the video of him attending his MIL’s funeral recently?
The showman at work- youtube.com/watch?v=YCNoU-yo … re=related[/quote]
I can understand why you would say that. I don’t think Tsai Yingwen or most politicians in Taiwan would ever attempt anything like this, but Chen…well, there was that other “assassination attempt” incident in 1985:
What I don’t have an easy explanation for is how one would get Annette Lu to go along with it. She was flaky in a lot of ways, but I don’t see her as a scheming liar. I suppose it’s technically possible to have put a device under the dashboard and remotely trigger it to shoot her in the leg (which would explain the 90-degree turn the bullet would have had to make to hit her), and thus she’d have no knowledge of the plot, but it does seem almost too James Bondish to be possible.
Annette Lu would never have agreed with this harebrained scheme. They weren’t that close either.
I believe that it was indeed a shot from outside the vehicle and if it was a set-up as seems possible that they chose the bullet calibre/gun so it would only cause a slight flesh wound, or at least hoped that would be the case. The suicide of the alleged gunsmith afterwards was very convenient to blame on, again he may have had nothing to do with the case though.
[quote=“Fox”][quote=“the bear”][quote=“Betelnut”]
For example, green academics can simplify the 319 incident to being 100% real because no one would dare risk their life over a real shooting incident. This was a twist in logic from day 1 because no one suggested in the first place that Chen and Lu had a real shooter pop them in a moving jeep. But yet, you’ll see this line of logic from DPP academics like him.
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Not wanting to make a big thing of this but what? Unless you have real evidence to the contrary the twist of logic is yours. As I recall the KMT even brought in Dr Henry Lee, a pro-KMT ballistics expert and his conclusion was that it was a kosher assassination attempt. It’s hardly Chen and Lu’s fault that the shooter wasn’t using a high-powered rifle is it? :eh:[/quote]
When people start claiming Chen shot himself that’s when you can see who the real nut jobs are.[/quote]
No you’re wrong. The assassination was all staged kinda like 9/11, the moon landings, JFK’s death (done by CIA) etc. IF THIS WAS REAL ASSASSINATION HE WOULDNT USE LITTLE HAND GUN, HE WOULD GET AK’s SO HE CAN MAKE SURE CHEN IS DEAD.
I love how every shooting some fuckwhit goes “he should use a better gun than that!” yeah like everyone in Taiwan has access to a wide variety of firearms 
Asking for hard evidence is also a common tactic by the green talking heads and so-called objective academics. All of the physical evidence was held by the CIB headed by CSB’s man Hou You-Yi and Dr. Henry Lee and his large team of Americans were invited and paid by the central government, not the KMT opposition at that time. Hou You-Yi then went on to use Dr. Lee’s words to guide the investigation of the case which fabricated a great deal of witnesses against the dead “shooter”. If you went down to Tainan and talked to those alleged witnesses, you would find that many of those people did not see him there or were not even on the street at that time. The integrity of the CIB is also an issue and its not as simple as people who are looking in from the outside must produce hard evidence when they don’t have physical access to it.
Also, Dr. Henry Lee may be pan blue personally, but he was not paid by the KMT. He works for and speaks for whoever pays him like other ballistic experts hired for any case.
For those who like to paint people who have doubts about the 319 incident, you must look at CSB’s past history with the fake food poisoning incident in 1985. He was just doing the same thing he has done in the past. After the incident, the DPP campaign trucks with their loud speakers as well as the underground radio stations were saying the KMT and CCP hooked up to assassinate Taiwanese people’s leader. This is the same kind of psychology Chen used in 1985 albeit not as dramatic. He said the KMT had poisoned his tea cup and he was having trouble in the toilet because of it. He showed up on a stretcher to the debate, but was fine later in the day and was walking about.
It should also be noted that Dr. Lee and his team were rushed to Taiwan in response to a press conference held by the blue camp where it was alleged that the windshield hole was hit from the inside out. Dr. Lee immediately came and looked and said it was shot from the outside despite the fact that there was no glass inside the jeep and CSB’s head of security did not notice a hold in the windshield for a long time during the motorcade.
Also, no one is claiming that Chen and/or Lu shot themselves. That is a way of painting others as being crazy. Chen has a wound on his belly which can be obtained in more than one way and not necessarily a grazing bullet wound in a moving jeep.
Annette Lu was in on it contrary to what many people believe including Sisy Chen and the people in the blue camp she influenced at that time. She has to be in on it in order for the entire scheme to work. Everyone in the jeep was in on it. She was in on everything except for getting hit by a projectile at around Sec. 5 of the road as indicated by the pictures taken. She was not hit at Sec. 3 where the alleged incident took place. Does this make sense everyone? The 2 casings were found at Sec. 3 and Lu only appears to be in pain at Sec. 5 or so.
Of course, she would be in support of the incident because she wants to be reelected as VP. She’s in the same boat as Chen. She also knew the DPP government was going to rig the vote also when she quote the AIT poll as them being ahead by 29.000 ballots when in fact they were behind by 1.5 million ballots 2 days before the election.
headhoncho, Lu appears to have been hit by one of the bodyguards in the jeep. It’s just that simple. I’m sure she didn’t approve of it ahead of time but she is simply hit by a projectile, but not necessarily a bullet. They did a rather amateurish job of the whole thing and were a little bit lucky to get away with it. That’s why the CIB was collecting people’s digital cameras in Jin Hua Rd. instead of securing the scene of the “crime” because they didn’t want evidence to come forward that they had staged it.
All they did was make a hole in the windshield with a projectile at a point in the street where the police had sealed off without many people watching. If you watch some parts of the video, there are places in the motorcade that were cleared of spectators beforehand. Then before and after that area, the camera was on. During that area, the cameraman zoomed out and turned off his camera to avoid filming that part of the motorcade. Then he turns the camera back on and there’s a hole in the windshield.
The windshield hole is not hit from the outside and it was not hit by a bullet. It was hit by a projectile and if you look at pictures from Dr. Lee’s report, you can see it’s been hit at least 3 times from the inside out by projectiles of different strength and from different trajectories. Without quoting the integrity or the pan blue Dr. Henry Lee, please use your own eyes to look at the picture of the windshield hole in the report.
They purposely did not show any pictures of the windshield hole of a more 3D nature and only show you flat 2D pictures because that is what they are hiding. When a cameraman wanted to film the jeep in the garage of Chi-Mei hospital, he was pushed away and not allowed to film the windshield hole.
[quote=“the bear”][quote=“Betelnut”]
For example, green academics can simplify the 319 incident to being 100% real because no one would dare risk their life over a real shooting incident. This was a twist in logic from day 1 because no one suggested in the first place that Chen and Lu had a real shooter pop them in a moving jeep. But yet, you’ll see this line of logic from DPP academics like him.
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Not wanting to make a big thing of this but what? Unless you have real evidence to the contrary the twist of logic is yours. As I recall the KMT even brought in Dr Henry Lee, a pro-KMT ballistics expert and his conclusion was that it was a kosher assassination attempt. It’s hardly Chen and Lu’s fault that the shooter wasn’t using a high-powered rifle is it? :eh:[/quote]
On a separate note, please be aware that the government victimized a family with no real knowledge of the incident because they had decided ahead of time to pin it on their father/husband. Chen Yi-Hsiung (the supposed shooter) had criticized the Chen government on a talk show and it was used to show that he was pan blue. But if you talk to people that knew him in Tainan, they will tell you (even if they are green) that he was not the kind of guy to go and get a gun to shoot the president. Also, he was not the least bit worried about the incident afterwards and was having lunch with his daughter the day he disappeared and died. His behavior after the incident does not suggest a person who is hiding out from the law because he shot the president.
If you look into this incident in Tainan, you will find that the real wrongdoing was done by former DPP legislator Wang Hsing-Nan and the supposed shooter’s brother in-law. This is a murder case of an ordinary citizen and not an attempted assassination against a head of state.
I should hope so. How whacky can the whack jobs get? That statement isolates and encapsulates all one needs to know or think about this issue.
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No you’re wrong. The assassination was all staged kinda like 9/11, the moon landings, JFK’s death (done by CIA) etc. IF THIS WAS REAL ASSASSINATION HE WOULDNT USE LITTLE HAND GUN, HE WOULD GET AK’s SO HE CAN MAKE SURE CHEN IS DEAD.
I love how every shooting some fuckwhit goes “he should use a better gun than that!” yeah like everyone in Taiwan has access to a wide variety of firearms [/quote]
Don’t you have to meet up with your buddies at the skateboard park? Don’t keep them waiting too long, or they’ll drink up all the Slurpees.
Go play in the tree-house outside. The adults are talking now.
I thought this thread was abut Mikey Turton?
Ah Bian shoot-up…a scam…but it worked.
Re: Dr. Lee…he came…he investigated…the results of his investigation were suppressed.
He has REFUSED further comment on what he found.
AGAIN…look at the pics of Ah Bian stopping as her enters the hospital and raising his hands above his head to do a “victory” pose.
Believe me when I say (speaking from personal knowledge here), people who are gut-shot DO NOT raise their hands above their head. Simple biological fact.
And then, there is the forensic study of the bullet holes of the windshield(windscreen).
Betelnut has the right info.
CN -
Go make some tea.
Wow. Of course it is, though “tactic” is about as funny of a choice of words as the rest of what you wrote. It’s interesting that in your world requiring evidence before reaching a conclusion is a “tactic.”
Clearly, THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE ANYTHING YOU CLAIM EVER HAPPENED. Naturally people are going to ask for it. Just because you are able to blather off a long list of supposed things that according to you happened even though there is no evidence of them, doesn’t mean that anyone else should give it any more credence than any other such assertion. Amazing, the multifaceted crime of the century the bumbling DPP managed to pull off. However the evidence still doesn’t exist, eight years later, with the benefit of a government who was surely digging into Chen’s every orifice as deeply as humanly possible. I guess that research hasn’t panned out, much less yours. Your ability to mouth off nonsense with a straight face hasn’t though, I’ll give you credit for that.
What a joke!
Not as successful as the scam that got Chen locked up.
Not as successful as the scam that got Chen locked up.[/quote]
Yeah…right…OK…Hey, listen…I have a bridge down here for sale.
Goes right over to the mainland. You can make a fortune on tolls.
Can I put you down as an investor in it?
Would you mind quoting a little bit more of what I wrote? I also wrote that the CIB controlled all of the physical evidence to the case in addition to vide of the incident they would not release to the public because bits of it revealed that their version of the event was not consistent with the facts.
When all of the evidence is in the hands of the central government and the central government is being accused of staging an incident, it’s rather convenient to say “where’s the evidence”? The CIB brought out bits and pieces of evidence to try to frame the incident their own way but held back evidence in case someone tried to prove the incident was staged.
Please do not take what I wrote out of context.
I should hope so. How whacky can the whack jobs get? That statement isolates and encapsulates all one needs to know or think about this issue.[/quote]
Yes, it’s true that the KMT government under Ma did not re-open the case. Because they don’t care and its politically sensitive. Because they don’t want to piss of the U.S. that helped Chen cover up the incident with their experts. They’d rather find any way they can to bust him for taking money from taxpayers because that won’t upset the U.S. that is guaranteeing Taiwan’s security.
The evidence does exist. It’s just still being locked up by the same government but a different party. What I’ve said here is based on the best available evidence presented to the public and research on it.
Wow. Of course it is, though “tactic” is about as funny of a choice of words as the rest of what you wrote. It’s interesting that in your world requiring evidence before reaching a conclusion is a “tactic.”
Clearly, THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE ANYTHING YOU CLAIM EVER HAPPENED. Naturally people are going to ask for it. Just because you are able to blather off a long list of supposed things that according to you happened even though there is no evidence of them, doesn’t mean that anyone else should give it any more credence than any other such assertion. Amazing, the multifaceted crime of the century the bumbling DPP managed to pull off. However the evidence still doesn’t exist, eight years later, with the benefit of a government who was surely digging into Chen’s every orifice as deeply as humanly possible. I guess that research hasn’t panned out, much less yours. Your ability to mouth off nonsense with a straight face hasn’t though, I’ll give you credit for that.
What a joke![/quote]
Go make some tea.
[quote=“TainanCowboy”]I thought this thread was abut Mikey Turton?
Re: Dr. Lee…he came…he investigated…the results of his investigation were suppressed.
He has REFUSED further comment on what he found.
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Please elucidate on the suppression of Dr Lee’s investigation results. First I’ve heard of it.
He looks like a downhill specialist.