Coronavirus Open Thread 2021

[Hamletintaiwan]

@Charlie_Phillips

This is what is truly terrifying: people like you making money off problems

People are making money for solving problems?
How dare they are!
They should make money by producing and selling junk like all the other honest working people or collect social security instead.
How dare you Brian.

Here are some true patriots to lift up our spirits.

Why Lisa Guerrero Abruptly Ended Interview With Anti-Mask Wearer

[Gain]

@finley

You have an exceedingly poor grasp of the numbers here. If your debt exceeded your ability to service the debt, you would be, for all practical purposes, bankrupt. The UK paid about 50bn last year to service a 1.8 trillion debt. That paltry repayment amount - which will clear the debt in, ooh, about 100 years - suggests the UK can’t afford anything more.

You have an exceeding poor grasp of the numbers. A ton of countries’ national debt is way above their annual GDP value. Japan’s national debt has been >200% for decades and they are still fine.

@finley

Anyway, I never mentioned bankruptcy: my point was the equivalence between cash and lives. 400 billion, paid back by citizens, is about half a million lifetimes. You still haven’t managed to explain why this equivalence is imaginary.

Nonsense.

@finley

And yet Sweden, which had no lockdowns as such, has been hit less hard than the UK. Their declared COVID-19 deaths, scaled to the UK population size, would be 68000, compared to the UK’s 86000. The simplistic conclusion would be that lockdowns make things worse (I’m not arguing that, by the way - but it’s certainly not obvious that lockdowns help ).

Sweden’s population density is 1/10 of UK’s, and it’s a highly egalitarian society with a very low income gap, unlike Britain. Even with such sparsely distributed population and little discrepancy in the quality of healthcare provided to the population, >10k of people died. That’s a substantial number.

@finley

An 80-year-old dying is not a “casualty”.

So can a burglar just break into your 80 year-old mother’s house (assuming she’s still alive) and feed her a bullet?

[Gain]

@Brianjones

This will mostly be done by the Summer in many countries.

I doubt it tbh.

[Charlie_Phillips]

@Hamletintaiwan

@Charlie_Phillips

This is what is truly terrifying: people like you making money off problems

People are making money for solving problems?
How dare they are!
They should make money by producing and selling junk like all the other honest working people or collect social security instead.
How dare you Brian.

Here are some true patriots to lift up our spirits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zT15C7eqnI

Funny how you attempt to deflect my words with a video about an anti-mask wearing activity in an American supermarket.

What is the relationship, exactly?

Are you incapable of staying on topic with a logical argument?

You have attempted to deflect a discussion between Brian Jones, and I, which has been ongoing.

Brian has already consistently made illogical contributions to the discussion, and made fallacious statements, constantly putting false words into my mouth, and it’s all on the record in this discussion.

He really doesn’t need your help with the fake media reports that have nothing to do with my stated view.

And let’s make it clear: Pharmaceutical companies sell junk.

That’s the business model, and the ultimate successful sales point for pharmaceutical companies.

Better health outcomes have always come from better nutrition and hygiene, and have never come out of pharmaceuticals.

Here’s my YouTube response, to your YouTube response, @Hamletintaiwan

Thalidomide: Return of an Infamous Pill | Retro Report on PBS

[Brianjones]

@Charlie_Phillips

Brian has already consistently made illogical contributions to the discussion, and made fallacious statements, constantly putting false words into my mouth, and it’s all on the record in this discussion

Yea everythng is on record you want me to quote you again ?

[Brianjones]

@Charlie_Phillips

And let’s make it clear: Pharmaceutical companies sell junk.

Better health outcomes have always come from better nutrition and hygiene, and have never come out of pharmaceuticals.

It really isn’t difficult to find stuff like this .

But hey you do you and stay away from those vaccines now ya hear!

And if you do get a bad dose of ANYTHING tell those docs you ain’t getting none of those nasty artificial antibiotics. Who knows what that stuff will do to ya !

[cake]

Interesting

13 Israelis suffer facial paralysis after coronavirus vaccine - report

[Brianjones]

13, temporary facial paralysis out of millions of vaccinated people…Which may or may not be caused by the jab.

Over 1.8 million people have been given at least one of two doses of the coronavirus vaccine, according to Health Ministry figures. With over a fifth of the population of 9 million vaccinated, the country has the highest immunization rate in the world, according to data compiled by Oxford University.

[RBE]

@Gain

Japan’s national debt has been >200% for decades and they are still fine.

That really depends on how you define “fine.”

Humans seem to have developed an affinity for zombie-ism in recent years. Corona came at the perfect time.

[Gain]

@RBE

That really depends on how you define “fine.”

If Japan isn’t fine what countries are?

[BiggusDickus]

Debt takes resources away from others unfairly. Rich countries can borrow/print money at the expense of poor countries.

Keynesian economics lacks ethics.

[Gain]

@BiggusDickus

Debt takes resources away from others unfairly. Rich countries can borrow/print money at the expense of poor countries.

You mean rich countries are borrowing from poor countries?

And since when is Britain not a rich country?

[cake]

I don’t blame them:

Covid vaccine: 72% of black people unlikely to have jab, UK survey finds

[BiggusDickus]

@Gain

@BiggusDickus

Debt takes resources away from others unfairly. Rich countries can borrow/print money at the expense of poor countries.

You mean rich countries are borrowing from poor countries?

And since when is Britain not a rich country?

Britain is a rich country.

Printing money allows rich people to consume resources they haven’t worked for. That means fewer resources are available for poor people who can’t print money.

[Gain]

@BiggusDickus

Printing money allows rich people to consume resources they haven’t worked for. That means fewer resources are available for poor people who can’t print money.

You are not making sense at all.

[BiggusDickus]

@Gain

@BiggusDickus

Printing money allows rich people to consume resources they haven’t worked for. That means fewer resources are available for poor people who can’t print money.

You are not making sense at all.

I’m not sure how I can simplify it further.

At any given point in time resources are finite. If one group of people are able to borrow a fiat currency that allows them to consume more of those finite resources, then other people who can’t do this consume less.

Does that make sense? Seems obvious to me.

[Hygge]

@cake

the Guardian

Glad to see that you have left twitter and now get your news from a reliable source.

[Hygge]

@Gain

Japan’s national debt has been >200% for decades and they are still fine.

Not comparable to other countries, all of the debt is in YEN and more than 90% of it is owned by the central bank and the domestic financial system.

[Gain]

The majority of UK national debt is also owned by Bank of England and the domestic financial systems.

[Gain]

@BiggusDickus

At any given point in time resources are finite. If one group of people are able to borrow a fiat currency that allows them to consume more of those finite resources, then other people who can’t do this consume less.

Does that make sense? Seems obvious to me.

No. It makes absolutely no sense. Consumption in Britain does not affect resources (or the lack thereof) in Cameroon.

Not to mention, consumption has decreased dramatically due to the lockdowns and the economic downturn. So you and @finley’s finite resources talk is pure nonsense. You should be supporting more lockdowns if you are worried about finite resources so much.