I imagine most of those beds were occupied before Covid anyway
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I thought Taiwans hospital beds were usually filled to capacity before COVID?
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Pretty much everything that Chase Nelson posts is drivel. He has absolutely no idea what the published numbers represent and doesnât know how to model (to the extent such a thing is possible) the uncontrolled spread of an infection. He seems to think itâs a simple exponential.
40% bed occupancy seems extraordinarily low. AFAIK hospitals generally run at around 80% capacity. Whatâs likely to matter most is whether hospitals are forewarned and forearmed with effective treatment protocols, and Iâve seen no suggestion to date that the CECC have even âmulledâ that sort of thing. Senior vaccination rate, given the experience in other countries, will make no difference (cue handwringing about HKâŚ).
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Do you have a sensible rebuttal? Given the exceedingly low (absolute) rate of hospitalisation and poor vaccine effectiveness (somewhere between 0% and 40%), why would you expect vaccination to be a big factor in hospital occupancy?
By far the biggest factor is going to be getting people better and getting them out the door - as opposed to, say, putting them on invasive mechanical ventilation and useless experimental drugs for weeks (or until they die). Taiwan has no experience of treating Covid and apparently has no intention of finding out what worked elsewhere.
I think we canât rely on that data since hospitalizations lag behind cases by about a month. If in another month hospitalizations are still as low as they are now then yes Iâll support that claim
Anyone watch Fury Vs Whyte boxing match over the weekend?
94,000 people in attendance at Wembley Stadium UK, and not a single mask.
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I meant hospitalisations in other countries. Taiwanâs experience is so far the same as anybody elseâs, plus or minus, and thereâs really no reason to expect anything different.
Hospitalisation, if it happens, is usually a matter of days. If youâre seeing a 1-month lag in the charts, itâs because non-covid causes are being thrown in (in countries where this was admitted, the ânoiseâ is supposedly about 50%).
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have you just arrived in Taiwan?
When I saw it yesterday, I thought that the number doesnât make much sense, or at least needs more context. Taiwan of course doesnât have just 6,159 hospital beds (it apparently has something like 479 hospitals, though Iâm not sure exactly whatâs included in that, and NTUH alone has about 2,600 beds). The occupancy rate of 40% also seems low.
Taiwan seems to have about 170,000 hospital beds, so I assume the number given in the post refers to negative-pressure isolation rooms or the beds currently dedicated to COVID patients or something. The 6,159 figure has also almost doubled in the last several weeks according to this post, so I presume it isnât a fixed number but something the government has the ability to increase (e.g., by repurposing other wards). It doesnât seem like a terribly useful figure as presented in the post, anyway.
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Almost no one needs negative pressure isolation with omicron
Why do you say that?
Just a feeling in my bones.
Has there been any research into the effects of children using so much alcohol based hand sanitizer?
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Going from memory, the number of those rooms was in the 2k range IIRC, but itâs more about what Taiwan is doing than what the person needs. I was just saying that 6k doesnât make sense for the number of hospital beds in Taiwan.
Iâd go along with this too
Negative Pressure Rooms are to stop dangerous and contagious infections exiting the room (for example when the door opens)
The need for a Negative Pressure Room for an Omicron infection is probably at a similar level to a patient with the Flu
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⌠or adults!!
It totally fucks my nail polish!
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Yeah, but again itâs not about what the patient needs - Taiwan was using them previously, and Iâd be surprised if theyâve completely stopped using them now (although they may have relaxed the requirements for putting patients in them, simply because they donât have the capacity any more). I doubt theyâve freed the rooms up in case thereâs an Ebola outbreak or something, and it seems likely theyâre included in the 6k figure.
That kinda sums up the total global situation, regarding Covid
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