No regard for public health at all. It’s all about the money and the doctors and hospitals aren’t doing anything about it. No one has the guts to do what’s right anymore.
Yes, the entire establishment of doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals in Taiwan are all, as you subtly argued, doing it “wrong.”
And just you, and perhaps some of your mates, have figured everything out.
Thank goodness that’s settled.
Guy
Are you suggesting that it is not wrong to deny medical treatment to people who refuse to perform some magic rituals?
It may not be all, but it seems obvious to me that the doctors at @Explant 's hospital are doing wrong.
@Explant or people close to him elected not to update their vaccines. Fair enough, it’s a free world, though it’s not the choice I would make personally. And he then, in the midst of a BA.5 outbreak, he elected to get a PCR test to enter a hospital. Problem solved.
Guy
I experienced it first hand. I can say with 100% certainty.
Wrong. If your PCR test is positive, you can be denied needed medical attention. Again, first hand experience.
No shots, no medical attention? LOL. Perhaps there’s an upside to my recent sickness after all. I was about to go to Taiwan earlier this month when I fell sick at the end of August. It wasn’t Covid, Dengue or any other common illness found in the country I am at, in fact till the end the doctors were unable to figure out the reason behind my sickness. They ran a battery of tests on me, and the only thing that came out of those tests was that I am a pretty healthy human being i.e. no tumor, kidneys, lungs etc in very good condition. Anyway I am almost fully recovered now, but the doctors here treated me without asking for any vaccination information. I think I’ll just stay where I am till the madness has passed in Taiwan.
So now you’re claiming - contrary to all known facts - that:
(a) Pcr tests correctly identify all positive cases and all negative cases;
(b) boostered people can’t contract or transmit covid;
And you also seem to think it’s legal and ethical to deny medical treatment to people who “choose” not to perform these pointless procedures.
Your stance reminds me of the old joke about a child’s doll always being found intact in plane crashes (“that stuff they make the dolls out of, they should make the whole plane out of that”). If vaccines and pcr tests are so magically effective inside hospitals, why did they fail miserably outside them?
To add insult to injury…
I had three shots when my PCR was positive and I was denied medical attention.
How many hospital outbreaks have you been reading about lately? That’s interesting, I haven’t been reading about them, either.
My point is much simpler than the elaborate post you have crafted. It’s that maybe, just maybe, there’s some kind of protocol here that is intended to try to keep the health care system going. Is it perfect? No. Are there f&ckups? Evidently yes. Does that mean that “no one” is doing the right thing, as some are posting? No it doesn’t. My point is as simple as that.
Guy
There is only one choice in the medical profession. Give all available help to all available patients 100% of the time. Anything less is unethical.
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It doesn’t matter what the intent is (and you’re merely assuming that’s the intent, since logic does not lead to that conclusion). It’s the outcome that matters, and it is morally wrong to deny treatment to someone because the fortune stones say no, or because they haven’t taken the magic potion. Drug addicts, rapists, people who drink bleach, and vegans are all given medical treatment regardless of their poor life choices or the doctor’s disapproval. The danger of “because covid” rules has become abundantly clear in other countries, where disruption of healthcare is causing an uptick of death and harm. And yet you support it. Why?
As for “why has there been no outbreak…”, well, that was the point of my aircrash reference. Given that neither injectable potions nor pcr tests can prevent “outbreaks”, and have not done so in any country that I know of, it makes no sense at all to suggest that Taiwan is unique. Your claim is either false (most likely there are plenty of people in hospital with coincidental covid, and you’re not “reading about” them because there’s a policy of not mentioning it) or the explanation is more subtle than you think.
I haven’t read of any bear sightings either, now that you mention it.
Maybe they took the Hypocritic oath by mistake. Anyway, Hippocrates was Greek, so he just didn’t understand Chinese culture.
Yeah and most rooms have multiple up to four or more sick persons (patients) so try to comprehend that one.
We are very careful about who comes into the room but we’ll just mix them all up once they’re in their room regardless.
The Hippocratic oath is actually a bit dodgy, and revealing.
He didn’t elect to do anything. It’s either do it or the doctors will refuse to treat his serious medical issue.
We have a highly contagious virus that can take out feeble/sick/old folk, which coincidentally populate hospitals. Hence, there are protocols to ensure that you, an apparently healthy person who could be asymptomatic COVID-19 carrier, does not live with the guilt of being responsible for the death of granny, uncle and toddlers…if you care for that kind of thing, you know, your fellow men and women. If you don’t, and live elsewhere where they don’t, may I remind you: in Rome, as Romans do? That means in Taiwan masks, tests and a little civility for others.
Remember you guys making fun of the local hospitals testing people who crashed their scooters and ended up interned when they were positive? Again, that is not to protect just the doctors or nurses. Next to that traffic accident, there is an elderly woman on dialysis. Someone with a heart attack. A kid who swallowed a plastic dinosaur. If they get sick with COVID-19 while weakened by other conditions, they are closer to curtains down than they were before or even supposed to be. We can help them. They do not have to die. Here in Taiwan we have the resources for the tests and vaccines. Other countries don’t. We are privileged that we can afford this care and set of antiepidemicmeasures.
Not at all. I’m my experience the hospital staff was well aware it was all bullshit, tried unsuccessfully to subvert the rules, bit was unwilling to do what they knew was right when their requests were rejected. Not to mention the hundreds of untested people walking aimlessly around the hospital continuously. Your argument is completely invalid.