Then they should also test visitors for the flu or pnu, as those two combined are killing around 50-60 elderly (65+) in Taiwan every day of the week.
This has always been the case. If you had some numbers as to why things should be different now, that would support your position. Otherwise it comes across as emotion and nothing else.
Then you are explictly suggesting that it is right and proper to kill or harm these people in order to protect those people. We have never done such a thing before - reason being, that calculus never works out with a net positive. The only possible outcome is net harm.
If it was your brother or child bleeding out on a stretcher while the medics faff around sticking probes up his/her nose, I suspect youâd have a different take on the matter.
And in any case, the basic point here is that neither vaccine, masks, or pcr tests do anything useful. If they did, Moderna wouldnât be crowing about their latest breakthrough product. What you guys are claiming here - that these protocols protect people from sickness and death - is not just logically implausible but demonstrably untrue, and taiwanâs CDC is one of the few institutions on the planet that hasnât realised the music has stopped and there are no more chairs.
Do you think the nurses and doctors test regularly?
Being an island, they figure they know better I guess. Outside data from other countries isnât applicable to Taiwan, ya dig.
Thatâs definitely a factor. Taiwan seems to have been excluded early on and were convinced that theyâd reinvented virology (remember the âTaiwan can helpâ campaign?) and apparently canât let go of that sense of their own importance as the whole house of cards collapses around them.
Masks protect people.
Washing oneâs hands protects people.
Having safety protocols protect people.
Doctors have worn these/followed these for a century now.
Emergency patients get tested and treated. Yes,it is necessary. Just as many other tests that have to be done before treating someone at the ER or opening them up, like verifying blood type, it is all part of the safety protocols. I understand those procedures. They were in place before COVID and now we add one more. They are necessary.
I respect my doctors. I see the caution they exert when treating me and others.
BTW guys is flu vaccine season. Get your yearly boosts.
Wearing a hazmat suit protects people more.
Hereâs the thing; the vaccines reduce severity of infection, but they seem to have negligible to zero impact on transmission (at least with the current strains). So it makes zero sense to ban people from hospitals for not having their shots (unless this is a collective punishment thing).
Looks like even the doctors were sick of wearing them properly a century ago as well. They might have been on to something.
âOur introduced face mask and forehead bandageâ and âface mask for person with long hairâ from: Kirschner, M. Allgemeine und Spezielle Chirurgische Operationslehre Bd 1, Julius Springer, Berlin, 1927 S. 222 Source
Canât get on board with that. Iâm in favor of repealing the mask mandate for the general public, but in a hospital setting I wouldnât want a doctor operating on me who wasnât properly masked.
Yeah obviously, but I assume youâre not generally walking around with open surgical wounds. Me neither. Therein lies the difference.
But I thought that was the new fashion.
Seriously though, thereâs other viruses besides COVID. In a crowded hospital, I generally donât want doctors who have mingled with all sorts of sickies during the day to get too close if theyâre not scrubbed up (that doesnât include consultations in offices).
Itâs kinda worse than that. Since the vaxxed are (at certain moments post-vax) more likely to be infected and (at other times) more likely to be infectious without any noticeable symptoms, it makes no sense to give the vaxed a hall pass, and itâs highly unlikely that hospitals have remained covid-free during the recent âwavesâ. I suspect all or most of those cancer deaths that appear in the official spreadsheet were exposed (not necessarily âinfectedâ) during their final (extended) stay in hospital.
Personally, I doubt itâs a collective-punishment thing. It just suggests that nobody has really thought this through and that theyâre all just following protocol because thatâs what doctors do. They often canât do anything different because if anything goes wrong, they get sued or fired. Plus, of course, thereâs a shitload of money to be made in boosting and testing, so no real incentive to stop the pantomime.
There are indeed, like bloodborne pathogens and various nosocomial infections, which have always been, and will continue to be, an inherent risk of visiting or working in a hospital. Of course surgeons should wear masks, as one of several dozen measures taken to minimize the risk of these (though I would imagine there are far more important ones, like equipment sterilization and wound site preparation).
Iâm mostly disputing Iconâs suggestion that as long as everyoneâs wearing a mask all this risk goes away. I mean, thatâs something implied by some of the CECCâs pseudoscientific dictates over the last couple of years, but it quite clearly doesnât stand up to much scrutiny.
And it doesnât matter all that much IMO, when the plastic-dinosaur-eating kid and elderly woman on dialysis are still going to restaurants, school, and work to catch their dose of the plague anyway.
The rapid testing thing doesnât make a whole lot of sense either, given that people can still transmit the plague a day or two before testing positive (thatâs how I and a couple of friends caught it, incidentally â from a person who tested negative after weâd already met).
Two biggest stocks at the moment?
Hereâs the key: that the BA.5 wave starts settling down. And at least this week, it seems that it has:
Credit: the inimitable @hansioux who has helpfully plotted out the numbers for us in the irreplaceable âGuessesâ thread.
Comment: Holy f&ck have we flattened the curve. This does mean however that the back end of the tail will continue like this for quite some time. Put otherwise: low-level community transmission will almost certainly continueâthough this is NOT a deal-breaker as discussed by the CECC as they plan ahead to adjust quarantine on arrival regulations on October 13; what they are concerned about it a potential spike in numbers, which happily is not happening now.
Guy
What did we do to flatten the curve?
Iâve been masked indoors, hand sanitizing, and allowing strangers to take my temperature. And not complaining too much
Was that a change in behaviour?