And yet Taiwan also has one of the world’s highest vax/boost rates. I’m sure there will be suggestions that it’s because Taiwan’s vax-rate profile is/was inverted compared to other countries - almost 100% uptake in the demographic that didn’t need it, and a somewhat lower rate than other countries in the older cohort. However, if you run the numbers, it really doesn’t work out. The most likely explanation is simply that the CDC are being somewhat more flexible with the definition of a “COVID death” than others were.
Yes, but this is precisely why people ought to be looking at absolute numbers, and absolute risks (rather than percentages or relative risks) as I’ve pointed out several times. For the vast majority, all-cause risk of death is not altered by any meaningful amount by getting three jabs.
FIFY. Even so, I’m not sure if this is entirely plausible - the figures being bandied around in other countries are somewhere between 3 and 6, IIRC - but again it’s an extremely misleading metric because the baseline risk of death by COVID (as opposed to being recorded as a COVID death while dying of CHD, suicide, or a traffic accident) is so very small. 12 times a very small number is still a very small number. You can easily estimate a NNTV figure and demonstrate that the cost of “saving” a single life is measured in millions of NT$. Facile arguments like “every life is precious” overlook the fact that lives do have different values, and historically we have accepted this fact as uncontentious. It is morally objectionable to expect a 30-year-old to donate 10 life-years (in the form of an economic contribution to a vaccination programme) to extend the life of some 90-year-old by a matter of months.
Other countries peaked way back, some already had several waves. It’s not surprising Taiwan currently has the biggest wave, since Taiwan did a great job keeping covid19 out for so long.
3rd doses don’t cure people of Kidney failure, Obesity, Diabetes, Cancer and other Chronic Diseases sadly.
This. Places that contended with the original variant, plus Alpha and Delta in the community, already suffered enormously, and those that survived have some form of immunity that may stop them from dying when omicron arrived.
We really should be comparing ourselves to HK, NZ, and Australia as they (more so than Japan and Korea) are our closest peers in this narrow regard.
Yes so it will be very interesting to see how Taiwans performance actually is when the dust has settled.
Two and a half years of isolation and mask wearing vs a country like Sweden that never locked down or closed it’s border.
All I want for Christmas is an end to the outdoor mask mandate. And before Christmas please.
Christmas in which year?
You’re a bad human for even suggesting that.
Of course we’re nowhere near the dust being settled yet, but how things stand for accumulated deaths by population at the moment:
I think this is just as big, if not bigger development. They’ve had a tough life these past 2+ years.
Guessing CECC will see “results” of this relaxation of zero quarantine and then look to do the same for all arrivals if there is no uptick based on data from airline crew.
It also announced revised rules for Taiwan-based airline crew, exempting quarantine for those who have received a booster dose of a COVID-19 vaccine more than 14 days beforehand.
Fully vaccinated crew members who have had booster shots would be subject to seven days of self-health monitoring, a PCR test on the day of arrival, and a rapid or PRC test every two days after returning on a long-haul flight.
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The booster exemption is weird as they’re still acting as if the current gen vaccines do squat in preventing transmission. If they have an effect on transmission rates it’s negligible.
Yeah. My point is that I believe CECC is going follow the data on these airline crews for maybe a few weeks (of no quarantine) to then make a decision (hopefully) that citizens/ARC/PARC don’t have to do any quarantine as well. Maybe at the same time, no need to do testing 48 hours before incoming arrival into Taiwan.
Since there is never any clear disclosure of CECC’s SOP, nor do local media ever ask such simple follow-up questions, it’s just ours to guess.
My wife says Minister Chen has tested positive. Anyone seen a source to back this up?
LINE news in Chinese quotes:
“He had symptoms in the morning. He used a household quick-screening reagent test and the result was positive. It has been confirmed through communication and diagnosis treatment. He will be take care of at home. He is currently in good health.”
His team members Chou, Chuang, Luo, and Wang were in contact with him, took tests, but are negative.
Good luck to the minister then. Sure he’ll be fine and back to vexing us with confusing musings on rule changes in no time.
What in the world is this made up PARC thing?
In 22 years I’ve only ever heard it from foreigners.
APRC. sorry. fat fingers