Since my Moderna primary jab I have had a flare up of what appears to be shingles, Could be coincidence, sure. Ive had it before
Its apparently an anecdotally reported thing, Also apparently no evidence known for a causal link, though I dunno if, or how hard, theyâve looked.
Donât much like the semantics here though,
COVID-19 vaccines donât cause shingles, but may lead to flare-ups, experts say
A flare up IS shingles, so one wonders what their criterion for cause would be.
Spontaneous generation of the measles virus, perhaps?
Seem pretty weasly words
Rashes have been reported after folks have taken AZ. I hadnât heard of this happening with Moderna. I hope youâre doing OK.
Guy
Thanks. No big deal at the moment, though it raises the apprehension level about the second jab, due this afternoon.
With mRNA vaccines, the second dose is said to be the Big Hit, so do take care of yourself.
Guy
Syphilis?
No, unfortunately, it wonât cure that.
Guy
Well, it will if it kills you.
I think there is a Mafia joke along those lines.
The ârashesâ are VITT, which can be life-threatening. There was an article about in the BMJ this month. Relatively uncommon (there are enormously conflicting reports about how common) but definitely more common than you would like, particularly in younger people.
14.9 per million after first dose according to that BMJ article. Dunno if thatâs global or UK data, but the general context seems to be UK. Doesnât appear to distinguish between vaccines so I assume that is all types combined.
Doctor giving my second jab didnât think the rash looked like shingles, which in the above context isnât particularly encouraging, though I have no particular reason to suspect VITT.
Iâve had strokes anyway, so if I had another it would be hard to ascribe it to the vaccine.
Given that the syndrome and the treatment recommended are both ânovelâ, and the treatment fairly elaborate, Iâd say youâd be lucky to get it diagnosed or treated in Taiwan at this time.
Actually that was gonorrhea, which works better.
Luigi : âYo Tony, Hows Marcia? Aint seen her around for a while?â
Tony (grimly) âShe died. Of gonorrheaâ
Luigi: "You can die of gonorrhea?
Tony: âYou can if you give it to meâ
How do we know what batch the vaccine is coming from?
Contact the manufacturer and tell them the batch number.
Who exactly is âBusiness Game Changersâ and why should we trust them?
Honest question!
Guy
There is an âAboutâ link on that page, feel free to read it - while holding a barf bag - just another failed Business person who set up a âconsulting shopâ and claims this and that.
If you think itâs BS, you could always query the VAERS system and conduct your own analysis. But if itâs true, it would neatly explain how the vaccines can be simultaneously âsafe and effectiveâ while also racking up tens of thousands of serious adverse event reports. In fact itâs something I would expect vaccine fanatics to seize upon as wonderful news, since it would imply that the vaccines are killing people not because theyâre inherently flawed but because of some sort of manufacturing error (or sabotage).
Of course itâs much easier just to use the ârandom guy on the internet is probably wrongâ argument than to go and do some research and some thinking.
The original article was posed by theexpose.uk (if you care to read it, the author appears to have done his legwork, and you are at liberty to criticize his/her reasoning). Your ad hominem attack on âBusiness Game Changersâ is not just lazy but completely irrelevant; BGC are just reposting someone elseâs observations.
I was replying to yingaussie.
I just think itâs pretty funny that the vaccine cheerleaders are dissing an article that (had they actually bothered to read it) could, from one viewpoint, support the vaccination programme.
I saw this thread and thought Iâll throw my 2 cents in.
Iâm still in Australia and personally know one young guy that took the Pfizer for work and ended up in hospital with myocarditis.
I also know two people who have minor heart issues after it. That said, most people I know including my dad weâre fine taking it.
Iâd like to take the Novavax one. The Taiwanese one also looks reasonable, if itâs still available?
On the COVID side I know one person who went to hospital for oxygen but didnât end up feeling too bad, just had low oxygen and was sent there, and one old 80 year old who almost died on a ventilator, but she survived.
There was also a local doctor that died from COVID but I have no idea on the details or if he was vaccinated or not.
DYOR.
Since none of them do anything useful unless youâre in an at-risk demographic, the only point of getting vaccinated is to get the barcode on your forehead, so Iâd choose something thatâs recognised by the New World Government as a valid vaccine for travel purposes. The Taiwan vaccine is not one of those.