Coronavirus Vaccine in Taiwan - May/June 2021

You did mention it though.

Although I’m not sure why, as something Angela Merkel did half a century ago when she didn’t have much choice either way, in a country and regime she grew up in that haven’t existed for three decades, seems to have very little relevance to coronavirus vaccines in Taiwan.


It turns out Fosun has been spreading a big lie. This company has claimed all the way that it owns distribution right of BNT vaccine for Taiwan. The Wiki page of Fosun says so as well.

fake information ALARM!

However, in Fosun’s official disclosure to Hong Kong Exchange, we read that Fosun does NOT have BNT distribution right in Taiwan.


I’m not sure whether you’re being deliberately disingenuous or not, but I don’t read that as saying what you’re claiming it says.

The highlighted sentence in the progress update simply seems to non-exclusively define the profit-sharing agreement for those three markets – there’s nothing there that rules out Taiwan being included in the original agreement between Fosun and BNT.

It could be, for example, that the profit-sharing agreement for Taiwan simply hasn’t been agreed yet in the absence of regulatory approval or a route for selling the vaccine to/in Taiwan.


Could be or could be not.
Weird is Fosun, never that contract showed.
Weird is BioNTech, silence, silence, and silence.

You would need to produce the contract between Fosun and BNT if you want to prove what you’re claiming. Otherwise, better to avoid spreading dubious info, in my opinion.


glad that the cover-up status of the BioNTech-Fosun contract is made clear.

More details:

The case was the first among 500,577 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine that have been administered so far since Taiwan’s vaccination program began in March.
It involved a man in his 30s who began suffering a fever and other discomfort after receiving his first jab on May 12, with the symptoms subsiding three days later, CECC specialist advisory panel member Lee Ping-ing (李秉穎) said at a press briefing.
The man was hospitalized a week later, however, after developing a fever and persistent pains in both his head and stomach on May 19.
A blood clot can be life-threatening if not treated in time, and it includes symptoms such as shortness of breath, chest pain, a persistent headache or stomachache, and blurred vision, as well as cramping pains, swelling and redness in a leg or arm.
The man was treated early, and he is now in stable condition and continues to recover, said Lee, who called on those who have been vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine to closely monitor their health for 28 days.
The CECC estimated that in Taiwan, the risk of developing a vaccine-induced blood clot is 2.1 per million doses, even though western countries have reported higher risks.
In the United Kingdom, the risk of developing a blood clot after a first shot was around 12.3 per million doses as of May 1, whereas in the European Union, the number stood at 6.5 per million doses as of April 4, according to CECC data.

No problems. It’s been four weeks now. The worst I felt was the day after the shot, when I had a mild fever, muscle aches, fatigue, and a general blah feeling. The following day I felt much better, but was tired. By the third day I felt fit and healthy, and I haven’t had a problem since.

I did have a splitting headache, but it started the day before I got the shot. I had read that you weren’t supposed to take painkillers for 24 hours before or for 12 hours after the shot. Lots of scalp massages and sniffing lavender oil helped me somewhat, and the headache was thankfully more bearable the night after the jab than before. I don’t think it was related to the shot; it was probably stress induced.

It seems a bit premature for the CECC to try to estimate that after only half a million doses. I don’t think the sample size is big enough yet to make those kinds of claims when the prevalence in other countries is in the several per million range.


And unfortunately, understating risks will not increase trust of the population in the vaccine :roll_eyes:

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Allow me to introduce to you Kolmogorov, who proved Central Limit Theorem, which estimation of confidence interval is based. How much do you know about the size of confidence interval as a function of sample size?

Do you see anything about confidence intervals in the article? They’ve just divided one by something in the region of 475,000* and multiplied the answer by a million. The numerator here is an integral with something like a normal distribution, such that the sample size at present isn’t large enough to rule out a prevalence similar to that observed in the EU, or perhaps even a prevalence similar to that observed in the UK.

It seems to me to be another instance of creative accounting, like claiming that the initial R value was 15 (apparently just an artifact due to a sudden increase in testing), and it’s a bit disappointing to see that from the CECC.

(* I assume this is the number of first vaccine doses administered by the date of comparison, which is in itself dubious as it neglects the duration (several weeks?) during which post-vaccination blot clots can occur. In other words, some of the people vaccinated during the recent surge in vaccinations and included in the denominator may also experience blood clots in coming weeks but this hasn’t occurred yet – this is guaranteed to understate the value reported here.)


This vaccine has been administered worldwide, so there is ample data to draw from.


Sure - what’s your point? I didn’t say otherwise. I was referring to the implication that the risk is lower in Taiwan than in other populations.


Italian newspaper La Verita reports China worked secretly on Germany to stop BNT vaccine sale to Taiwan.


If I see one more video insisting how easy it is to get vaccinated in the US, especially at Costco - I will knock someone out. Sigh. Here they hear the word free and all defenses come down. Double sigh.

On a different angle of the theatrics related to vaccination:

Well, yes, it is FREE and very EASY to get vaccinated in the U.S.
You just cannot go to the U.S. and try and BUY the vaccines in bulk.
That’s silly, naturally.

So, the 2 issues need to be separated.
Many people have gone (and will be going) to the U.S. to get freely vaccinated, no questions asked (resident or non-resident alike).

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I just remember someone arguing in this thread that the (self-paid) vaccine in Taiwan was technically free because they only charge for the administrative fee etc, but don’t charge for the vaccine itself. And people kept telling them that that’s not free because one still needs to pay about NT$ 600.

And now we have the “free” vaccine in the US where people just need to pay for the flight ticket and hotel stay. Seriously - for most people, getting vaccinated in the US is definitely not “free”!

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Getting vaccinated in the US is free. Getting to the US if you’re not already there isn’t.

I’m waiting for Hawaii to open up vaccinations to non-residents, perfect opportunity for the first vacation in 18 months.