Maybe they really needed it?
This does remind me of what my mom used to say about my nan though ( her mother in law). Couldn’t walk two feet if people were watching but sprinting down the road if they weren’t.
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I think it will be similar to when oldies didn’t want to get vaccines in the beginning, so they allowed everyone to get self paid shots before those expire. After the Wanhua outbreak the rush was so big, they cancelled self paid.
If we get another outbreak with the crowds coming back for CNY, the oldies will be raiding the vaccine centers again.
Doctors overseas hear patients often asking to get vaccinated before intubating them.
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The level and sheer amount of disinformation aimed at that group is both amazing and worrying. But much worse is how they gobble it up.
But then they are the prime demographic for scams, like their internet boyfriend from Italy asks for 8 million and they just hand it like a glass of water…
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If we look at ppl 65+ though, Taiwan is behind all of the states
gives wings to the theory that some of the 65+ folks are essentially hillbilly in Beverly Hills types. not surprised tbh, education is low, and superstition is high amongst that age group in tw.
The school system in Taiwan was in shambles after the KMT took over, which is unsurprising as they kicked out the Japanese teachers and targeted (and killed) thousands of educated Taiwanese in 1947.
The young kids from that era are now the elderly we’re discussing.
Guy
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Hope that’s not serious.
That would be some unmatched shade.
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You make it seem like all doctors constantly hear that. I have seen the same reports repeated many times. I don’t know whether many of the doctors hear that from patients because most doctors wouldn’t interrogate people on their death beds and share that information in the press. No doubt some do. My own father in law wanted to be baptized after having a stroke and thinking his time was up so some people will say anything.
I will say that i saw a story a while back about people begging for the vaccine before being intubated. Then i read a story talking about how the unvaccinated are so deluded that they refuse to believe that covid is real even while being told they have to be intubated. So it seems like they refuse to believe it is real while begging for the vaccine.
99,582 doses were given yesterday, of which 70,380 were second doses, and 8,750 were Booster shots. 15,325,788 are now fully vaccinated which is 65.51% of the Total Population.
https://www.cdc.gov.tw/File/Get/8UHxXczRJy1N2D97NQ7NEA
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This is flat out amazing.
Taiwan has surpassed the US in terms of percentage fully vaccinated, and the US has had the vaccine for the longest time.
And US 1+dosers have plateaued the at 71%.
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I dunno if the US—with its politicization of vaccines and so much else—should really be our benchmark. On public health issues, it seems to lag pretty badly compared to most other wealthy nations. 
Guy
The speed at which Taiwanese became vaccinated once vaccines were available is breathtaking.
Some advantages: we have a national central health system, not fragmented like in Canada, in the US, and in other federal systems.
And unlike Canada and the US, we have national health coverage for the vast majority of people. People without jian bao coverage have also been welcomed to get the vaccine.
On the downside, we have a significant number of people who are (in some combination of one or more of the following): devoted followers of traditional Chinese medicine; deeply superstitious; and/or semi-literate or illiterate. Perhaps as a result, vaccine uptake among the elderly here lags behind just about any similarly wealthy country in the world.
As I’ve noted before, those guys will be in big trouble when the virus gets into the community.
Guy
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Also not really.
For example: smoking rates.
Are you talking 65+?
I don’t think it matters. A vaccine can kill them as easily as COVID can.
I can think of no other wealthy country in the world which has uninsured / uncovered people in rates anywhere near the rates in the US.
I think it is not controversial to say it is utterly by itself in this respect.
Guy
I’m not even sure if insurance coverage rate is a public health “outcome.”
But in any case, there are multiple public health outcomes, some in which the US leads the world.
I saw on the news somewhere a while back that the surgeon general in some European country smokes (Netherlands?).
The land of the ‘free’, right?
While the healthcare systems are different between provinces and states, anyone can get the vaccine in Canada and the US for free.
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My point was simply that our health system is not similarly fragmented: it’s nationally administered, which seems to have been a plus.
Guy