Do you think America will come to Taiwan’s aid if China attacks? Should it?

I agree completely and I make it a point to avoid any ccp product.

I would love to see this happen.. it’s way overdue.. Forgive me as I’m not a expert on your history, but does it make sense for Taiwan to relinquish (albeit it’s symbolic) claim on being the one true China?

Not really. Taiwan effectively abandoned the claim decades ago and has taken many actions such as having a trade office in Mongolia that indirectly show the claim is as dead as the dodo.

About the only thing Taiwan could do at this point to make things clearer would be to amend the constitution to clarify what the ROC’s territory is now. That would be imprudent and is basically impossible anyway now.

As Donald Trump said to Fox Sunday, specifically referring to Covid as well as hacking from China, “You don’t think we do that to them?”
I believe him.

CKS was the one who signed a treaty with the Soviets recognizing Mongolia as a sovereign state in the first place.

Yeah, it’s dead in spirit, but not on paper. Sadly, I don’t think China considers it dead either.

I mean, the fact that Taiwanese people use the Republic of China flag as the Taiwan flag is also an indirect way of saying they don’t consider themselves China anymore.

However, both sides would have to mutually agree to amend their constitutional territory. Taiwan would definitely do it, but China, well the CCP specifically, will never do it.

It’s extremely frustrating, because the CCP is in such denial about the reality of the situation.

Taiwan is an independent country in every meaningful way, and the CCP is still trying to pretend is has anyone sort of say or control over that.

A large majority of Americans support the US militarily defending Taiwan should the latter face invasion or blockade from China, according to a recent survey by the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute (RRPFI).

The RRPFI said that the survey, released on June 22, showed that 75 percent of Americans believed a war between China and Taiwan would affect US security and prosperity.

In addition, 70 percent of respondents supported the US taking military actions to defend Taiwan if China were to invade or blockade it, the RRPFI said.

Backing for military action is bipartisan, with 75 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of Republicans supporting such a response, according to the RRPFI survey.

Some of the top reasons for why survey respondents were more likely to support committing to defend Taiwan include: Taiwan is one of the world’s largest producers of semiconductors (71 percent); and defending Taiwan is critical for the defense of other allies such as Japan, South Korea and the Philippines (70 percent).

Other reasons include that if Taiwan is not defended, it would send a message to China and other adversaries that the US is not willing to stand up for its friends (70 percent).

The RRPFI’s latest survey also reveals Americans are showing increasing support for a stronger US role in global affairs and a commitment to the US’ allies in the Middle East, Europe and Asia, the organization said in a news release.

At this point China won’t even have to attack to eventually assume control – King Trump’s mob boss shakedowns + fickle tantrums + increasing flirtation with authoritarianism can be thanked for that. The foil has just about completely diminished at this point. Well, to those paying attention and aren’t drinking the orange kool-aid at least. :joy:

Feel free to save this one for later reference.

The unpredictability of the recent bombings in Iran throw a bit of a wrench into your reasonings ala. the assumed Trump plan of action should Taiwan be threatened with invasion or actually invaded. That hesitancy on behalf of the CCP is worth something to take advantage of is it not?

The CCP goals regarding the takeover of Taiwan have always preferred a more subtle and bloodless coup, but I don’t see them entirely shying away from direct force either. And this all predated the Trump presidency as you well know.

Much of the initiative, however, is on the shoulders of the Taiwanese government. If anything we’ll have to wait for the results of the KMT recalls before casting such dire aspersions on the future of Taiwan.

Strategic ambiguity is nothing new and Trump deserves no credit for it.

Yes

Yes, short term. Medium term, still unclear what is happening. Long term, I don’t have high hopes.

America built china up with favorable economical policies and raised the standard of living in china exponentially.. china chose to build a drug empire with the mexican cartels and send precursor for fent to kill Americans.

The president is a politician and is going to say whatever he needs to say

The likelihood of China invading Taiwan without contest is “very, very small” because the Taiwan Strait is under constant surveillance by multiple countries, a US general has said.

General Ronald Clark, commanding officer of US Army Pacific (USARPAC), the US Army’s largest service component command, made the remarks during a dialogue hosted on Friday by Washington-based think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Asked by the event host what the Chinese military has learned from its US counterpart over the years, Clark said that the first lesson is that the skill and will of US service members are “unmatched.”

The second lesson is specifically on the Taiwan issue, “because that’s where we spend a lot of our time thinking about how to counter cross-strait invasion, which is the most dangerous course of action,” in particular, “how hard that [invasion] is.”

The US Army builds its warfighter program at the division and corps levels to counter a “wet gap crossing” — a military maneuver designed to facilitate the crossing of a body of water, he said.

In the context of Taiwan, it refers to a military operation in which Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops and equipment are moved across the Taiwan Strait.

“We’re talking about an adversary [China] that has to cross an 80-mile [129km] wet gap that’s being watched by an unblinking eye, multiple countries working together to deter them from that activity,” he said.

The chances of being able to conduct “an uncontested or successful wet gap crossing of that scale” are “very, very small,” the general added.

“So our efforts to continue to make that problem set more difficult for the Chinese is where we spend a lot of our time,” the US Army general added.

The US is building partnerships across the region with allies and partners in conducting Taiwan Strait transits, he said.

In 1945. In 1949 Mongolia recognised the PRC, so CKS reneged on the agreement and the ROC continued to claim Mongolia on its maps until 2002 (finally recognised by Chen Shui-bian)

I remember back in 1989(?) National Geographic had put an insert of a new map projection in its magazines, which showed Mongolia as independent,- the security bureau took out every copy of the (English-only) edition and stamped " “Mongolia belongs to the Republic of China”- and carefully refolded and re-inserted the map.
This was when there were only three TV channels, owned by the government, army, and KMT respectively- but you could get cable hook-up, including hours of Taiwan-independence talk shows, plus direct programming from China (which were only watched by people betting on the soccer games), the same afternoon- but it took you a month to get a phone hooked up
Waning days of the KMT dictatorship.

In 1989? Granted I was a bit young, but that was a time when I had to disconnect RF antennas from my TV using a screw driver to hook up my NES to the TV via twin-lead clamps. Actual cable TV wasn’t legalized until 1993, but I guess illegal cable existed for people that can afford them. I just remember my grandpa hiding in his room to to listen to Japanese radio programs on his shortwave radio. That was a time when Doraemon was considered “too Japanese and unpatriotic” to be broadcasted on the TV. If illegal cable was prevalent, I wonder why my grand parents didn’t just pay to watch Japanese TV shows.

The Government Information Office led by James Soong and Jason Hu around that time was very oppressive. Soong alone banned 529 thousand publications and shutdown 47 magazines publishers urging for democratization. It was a time when Soong’s Information Office framed the Kaohsiung Formosa Magazine incident as a violent riot, and Taigi was completely banned on TV, forcing pòo-tē-hì shows to switch to Mandarin. Soong and Hu also covered up the truth about the murder of US citizen, Professor Chen Wen-cheng, and forcing Cheng Nan-jung to self-immolate in his magazine office.

So not exactly like the KMT were up for letting people do or say whatever just because its dictatorship was waning.

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At the same time, their strategies have only evolved. The end goals are only different in that they want to join, rather than regain China. The Chinese KMT are still quite scary. Without opposition, oppression of freedom of speech certainly doesn’t seem to be off the table.

What are the odds of indecision and second guessing? Convincing themselves it really isn’t what it looks like, surely this is just another unannounced training exercise on a grand scale.

Is the US really going to start sinking ships when they are halfway across the straits, or are they going to want to see troops landing before they get the go ahead to do anything?

There are a lot of known unkowns

Cable TV was illegal but readily available- so much so that power lines regularly collapsed from the weight of illegal cables. The government would send out teams to rip them down, but leave the companies to operate.

No. They will not. The USA bullies and murders weak countries to steal their resources. If the country has allies and is stronger, they will use economic means to bully them. That is their real status quo. Democracy, peace etc etc menas nothung. Taiwan is so far beyond a better country than the US, it’s not even funny. The issue is we are tiny, other nations don’t stand up for ethics, and China is a real world threat
…Taiwan is just the easy first domino.

The USA has never supported Taiwan in any reasonable sense. Outside of ROC and during/post world War 2. After the PRC took over a land that isn’t Taiwan, They still remain not willing to do so. They only maintain trade. That’s a fact. And it’s time the world woke the fuck up about this issue. Or, if they dont want to, stop pretending they have any kind of backbone or ethics. It’s rwlaly quite gross listening to their bullshit in this regard. Their president says they will defend taiwna, because that was obviously thebpoint, then the speaker takes it away right after. Not a drop of ink of support.

Send the chips to china, let the USA beg us for a change. Then we might get even a fraction of respect.

Or send the chips industry to the US (likely other non chineee ally countries), get no help and fuck it.

Outside of natural disasters, many societies/civilizations died due to retardation. At least we get to witness it first hand…? :sob:

Hey, just be happy the whole ROC experiment lasted this long.

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins speaks with the authors of a new book that reveals President Donald Trump told a private gathering of donors in 2024 that he once sought to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from attacking Ukraine and to deter Chinese President Xi Jinping from attacking Taiwan by threatening to “bomb the sh*t” out of Moscow and Beijing in retaliation.