this is always the thing, and I don’t buy it
Maybe I haven’t been clear enough about the food…
If they could do it easily, wouldn’t they?
It’s not the food it’s the girls. K-town girls at that
I’m the top poster by far 
If it were just the girls, I could go to Taipei, but then cost of living and weather come into play…
I feel like K-town girls are cuter in a casual way.
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The balloon most likely will continue floating over the U.S. for the next few days and updates will be provided as needed, he said.
“Once the balloon was detected, we acted immediately to protect against the collection of sensitive information,” he added.
Short term gain, long term pain. Fine.
I’m just tired of listening to / reading about the USA “higher than thou” propaganda BS, and people spouting off at the mouth how they [USA] support countries, like Taiwan, without actually supporting a damn thing. Usually not even reading a damn thing either!
We need to be more honest, direct and use proper words to describe an actual situation. Taiwna is a legit democracy, that has claim over all of greater “china”, yet never bullies anyone. This nation has gone from pseudo doctorship to full blown democracy. And this is what the “west” likes to say they want. Yet, never supports. Key word, support.
There is a LOT of hypocrisy going on, and if the international community wasn’t so dead set on cheap labor and allowing the Chinese CCP styled uman rights issues, this shouldn’t be am issue.
I’ll say it simply. The only issue with the “China issue”, meaning not supporting free and democratic Taiwan, is because the global communities need to look in the mirror. And that image ain’t great. How fucking ironic.
We, the world, need to stand for better. The history is on Taiwans side. The law is on taiwans side. The ethics are on taiwans side. And literally every metric is on taiwans side. The ONLY reason the global community plays with cujna is because they want slcheap shit and turn a blind eye on human rights. If this sint beyond fucking Obvious, these countries need to shut the hell up and clean house. Objectively, this whole situation is beyond retarded and hypocritical. Even my elementary school aged kid gets more complicated scenarios. We, as a species, need to step the fuck up.
The world is a complicated place. As for America supporting democracy and being anti-communists…well, sometimes that is just an excuse when convenient. America supported the Shau in Iran which was not the support of democracy. And US meddling in South America? Arguments are that without the US meddling South America would be in worse shape…even if South Americans disagree.
As for Taiwan, I think that without years of Taiwan wining and dining US politicians most would not care about Taiwan. Few Americans know enough about Taiwan to distinguish between China propaganda and the truth…and they don’t particularly care enough to try to understand. They are told to hate communism (my brother hates China for that reason but then again he hates Democrats because as he says “they are all communists”) so heard must support Taiwan. If the chip industry was not here Trump would not care at all about Taiwan.
My meaning is that America is not coming to rescue Taiwan to help the planet or Taiwanese people. Trump will weigh his options and pick what is most beneficial for him. Trump resorts in Macao and Shanghai built by free Chinese labor?…well, then China’s actions against Taiwan will be ignored for the most part.
Exactly. Same thing I also have been saying for decades. It is confusing to me how people don’t see the writing on the wall. We cna prevent it now (or could ahve earlier), but no one cares until it is too late. Typical humans.
It is delusional to think otherwise….only the geography can possibly save us, especially now we are openly giving up our chips in the coming decades 
It’s one of the major defining traits of current year america, yeah
This is all debatable. Especially the law. What law are you talking about?
There is no law. Taiwan is rogue, in a good way, now.
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I wonder what Paiwan or Ami law says about the KMT…
Moreso acts and agreements. Basically 1949 and previous. In relation to the ROC.
ROC maintains control over Taiwan, PRC had never done so. If they claim it, it was during ROC or previous governments controlling all of china. Thus the “renegades” are more legitimately the ones that started a civil war and murdered millions of people (PRC). That aint legitimate claim over a teritory that is undisputedly claimed by the ROC and fully run by it since they relocated due to the. PRC renegades causing civil war and treason towards their own countrymen. especially when neither side lost nor gave up, simply moved location. We can start with that. it has been discussed to death. Facts are facts. PRC has no leg to stand on with the taiwan issue, only missiles and threats. That’s the point. And the global community is so greedy, lazy and selfish they want cheap crap no matter the cost to human rights. So they enable the PRC to this day. Again, without a legal framework, only the ROC lays claim here. Outside of the indigenous folks, of course.
The US turned their backs on a democratic “China (roc) “ for a more oppressive “China (prc)”, communist no less (ironic given the Russian fears back then by the USA). now when people want to say the US “supports” Taiwan (they dont) when they overcharge for weapons, won’t sell taiwan more advanced weapons and even stopped all weapons sales over the US pork being too disgusting for even Taiwanese quality control on food (FDA, ractompomine). My question to thos epeople is: What support? Give examples. They trade, not support. Time and time again the USA has completely fucked Taiwan. And taiana continues to pay the bill without even getting their trade deals satisfied on time. This isn’t support, it’s abuse.
Surely, the irony is too much for even the arm chair guru to ask: What the actual fuck?
All recorded and public.
On the term law. We’ll, we only have past agreements, acts and the like. To kake a law means the PRC goes to war with us, they publicly state so. And if we actually did have USA support, maybe we could write laws. But, we don’t, so we can’t, because the entire world had enabled the PRC so kuch that they will clearly bomb the shit out of use without much effort. And likely a slap on the wrist.
If we had support, we could have laws (sorry about before, I misspoke, there are no laws supporting taiwan). Herein lies the issue.
So I am interested more to hear from people that claim taiwna has support, I want to see some official proof. Not just flags and hearts on Facebook. We have none. Haven’t for decades. And it is kind of gross how we all deny this.
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Which China are you referring to?
If you read Kissingers book it was because the US wanted to break the PRC away from the Soviet Union
But to your point the US is keeping the ROC in their back pocket…and the PRC knows this…the ROC has BOTH American backing AND claim to Beijing.
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Okay. Let’s go here.
what does a country need to trade? Let’s just take one thing: a navy.
The US has been the sole maritime trade guarantor for Taiwans goods.
One more thing that Taiwan needed: a market.
The US market has been the spark that Taiwan needed for decades and still needs.
The issue is that American maritime protection and the American domestic market have been so open for so long that the world has forgotten what it was like before…but we are getting more than just glimpses…it is being shoved in our faces.
Want to know what America has done for Taiwan? Look at Cuba and ask yourself why is taiwan not in their same situation as Cuba economically
Just to clarify. So I don’t misunderstand what you are stating.
You liken trade between 2 nations as support?
Ok, I cna get that. But let me explain my p8int. This isnt support for taiwna against chjna. Literally in zero way. It is only “support” in so far as allowing legal trade between the USA and Taiwan specifically because the USA gave actual support towards China (PRC).
This distinction I’d on record, and I have mentioned dit countless times. Really try to digest this fact. The USA abandoned Taiwan (ROC) Officially, but then made a bunch of acts and paperwork to allow them to still trade with us. They are NOT supporting Taiwan (ie. The ROC) they literally abandoned the ROC. They only make these acts to allow trade because they want 2 things: chips and geography.
Make no kistake they are working hard to not be reliant on taiwanese chips. Literally, everyone knows this as well. They only need geography moving forward.
The real question is ( as these facts are recorded and can be read and watched anytime): what support is the USA giving taiwan?
We pay way too high a price for weapons. And we don’t even get allowance for lost weapons. What support are people talking about? The acts and whatnot have zero actual.support, only allowance due to the USA switching ties to the communist CCP.
This is retarded. Full stop. It is amazing the world plays this game, bur it is obvious people just want to turn a blind eye on human rights for cheap gadgets and manufacturing. That’s the real shit. How can this be proven wrong? I am genuinely curious.
It is fine to say maritime safety. The US had played “world.police” for decades, also elsewhere. That’s not the issue. Outside of China’s oppression, expansions and basic lack of rule of law, taiwna does not need the usa. They make trade agreements that fuck taowna at every turn. We can go there too, let’s go deeper 
I understand the superficial argument, but anyone involved with trade or reads the laws knows this is complete bullshit. I hope I am wrong. And, if you are willing, explain to me why my points are wrong. Because I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.
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Okay thank you for your thoughtful response. I will make my point.
Yes you are correct that for the time being the US has abandoned ROC as being the legitimate government of China…but I believe that can change…but I digress.
the ability to trade globally and the benefits they bring are not to be underestimated. Again Just look at Cuba.
this trade + security guarantee (official or not) allows the ROC to focus on high end chips (to then send to the US and her allies mostly.) An isolated Taiwan island couldn’t feed itself let alone make chips.
with regards to weapons - the price may be high but that’s the best taiwan roc is gonna get. Nobody else will touch Taiwan with a ten foot pole let alone sell them weapons. Unless I’m mistaken? Who would sell taiwan weapons on a consistent basis?
for the record the US isn’t playing world police - it is the world police.
the reason the evidence to the contrary isn’t screaming at us is because we have gotten so accustomed to certain things (like easy and free maritime trade which will be going away I assure you.)
Thoughts?
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