Donations needed

I’m not sure if this was brought up somewhere else, but here goes anyway.

It’s regarding GUS’s sig. and the link to PAYPAL for donating cash towards SEGUE. I think it’s cool and I’d gladly donate, except for, Paypal is :imp:

Just 2~3 weeks ago, funds from an open source project were robbed (Abiword). Deposits are not insured. When your money goes missing, it’s limbo time. You’ll spend months on tech support line with some dude in India.

That said, maybe you could provide us with a local bank account # too.

Oh, I think this was mentioned by spack (?) somewhere (?), how about Seque T-Shirts? That logos pretty cool actually. We could raise some muchos cash. Whats left over after covering expenses for this site could go to some good cause. (no, no pay check for moderators :laughing: ) I’m sure Hartzell could put some to good use.

Just a thought.

Forumosa and its predecessors, as you all know, have always been free, which is a wonderful thing. :smiley: :sunglasses:

But it’s not free for Gus to run this site. The Web hosting costs him money – a lot of money, actually. He’s been paying for all of it himself, because he’s a great guy and likes to help people.

With the increasing popularity of the site and the reintroduction of various bells and whistles (guanxi, avatars, view recent posts, etc.), however, the load on the Web host’s server is growing greater. This means it’s going to cost Gus even more to keep this site going.

If you’d like to help keep Forumosa on line, there’s an easy way to do this: buy a gift certificate for Gus from his Web hosting company. The money – all of it, no PayPal deductions or chances for the mods to skim it for beer and pizza funds :frowning: – would thus go directly to helping maintain this Web forum that so many of us have become attached if not addicted to.

All you need to do is click on the link above and choose an amount you’d be willing to contribute. And then be sure to e-mail the gift certificate code number to gus at forumosa.com. Any help at all would be sincerely appreciated. :smiley:

I went to the link you provided and when I clicked on the “purchase gift certificate” button it asked me to register. I did this. I went to the “purchase gift certificate” again, but it sent me to another page and I couldn’t work out how to make a payment.

I also sent a message to Dreamhost informing them of the problem.

I was going to join the quiz team (if they’ll have me) and donate any money won in Forumosa’s name to Forumosa

Maybe forumosa can join Amazon.com’s (or others) affilate program, so if we want to buy something from there, forumosa can get a percentage.

I wouldn’t object to tasteful paid banner ads, not pop-ups (which I wouldn’t see) or those annoying little animated ones most Taiwanese websites have.

I’ll just hand Gus some cash next time I see him. Dreamhost wants altogether far too much private information from me.

I am all for the paid advertisement thing. Not a bad idea. I am sure that some places would love to be able to reach so many ex-pats all in one place. But tasteful is the key word here.

I don’t want to give the info that the site asks for to make a donation. I just don’t trust the net.

Hi Cranky,

Many thanks for posting up the invitation to donate to the website. It will help. I hope to figure out a way to show “how much” we are using so that Forumosa members can see for themselves how close we get to our monthly capacity. Unfortunately, we are projected to surpass our capacity (10 million conuaries per month) in this, our second month with DreamHost.com

matthewh,

thank you for the suggestion. I have set up Amazon affiliation in the past (at oriented.org) and have considered others, too (like cj.com). However, the results have been very modest. To my mind, these are most valuable if the website showcases certain topics, which have books, stuff, etc that supplement the content itself. In the very beginnings of the website, I actually proposed/planned a Bookshelf section or forum, but this got very little attention. Plus, the upkeep of such content will always be an issue.

As a discussion forum, the visitor readers ARE the content providers (or is that vice versa?). You/we are the showcase. This has proven to be a very sustainable (“growing”, actually) web model. My personal preference is to shy away from any suggestion of charging for access to you/us.

Sandman,

Thank you. But please remember that Forumosa is not organized as a business, so I am not able to issue any official receipts or invoices (for tax purposes, etc… uh, how large a donation did you have in mind? :wink:). I can give you a simple receipt of funds for your records, if you need it. But if you don’t tell me in advance, I’d probably be writing it on a napkin at the next moderator gig!

Which bring’s me to Boss Hogg’s suggestion: paid advertising

Hogg, this is much easier said than done, especially if one wishes to be very careful and proper about it.

First, I’m not a fan of the Web Ad Business Model to begin with. I’ve told friends who’ve asked me why I jumped off the ORIENTED bandwagon that if I really thought this was a viable business, I’d’ve stayed on board in some capacity. Christine was very open about how I might fit in – she’s got a big heart. My skepticism about Internet commerce in general plus personal priorities (I had just gotten into grad school at that time) kept me from committing “more” to ORIENTED. (Mind you, I believe oriented.com today is a different animal althogether – broader geography, tighter focus)

Next, the administrative backoffice of administering ads space and billing clients (heck, even worse, collecting from clients) just don’t attract me. Remember, I don’t even think it would amount to much to begin with – see the paragraph above.

Granted, if I did commit to doing this fulltime, maybe – maybe – I could survive on something. But I’m actually – “finally,” my friends will chime in, since I’ve been yapping about it for years – entering a new path: healthcare; so I’m going to need to focus my attention and savings on getting started here. (btw, did I mention I’m moving back into Taipei city next month – my monthly rent is almost quadrupling! :shock:)

I’m starting to babble incoherently now, so I’m going to stop. But I will be posting details about the nature of the financial responsibility this website poses, and how I hope this can be done transparently.

Oh yeah: “tasteful” advertising? There ain’t no such thang :wink:

Cheers,
gus.

Gus, what kind of plan are you on with DreamHost and what do you pay each month? It sounds like a lot.

dreamhost.com/shared/comparison.html

I’m on the Level 2 plan – so it’s only about US$ 20 a month.

Now, look at the bottom of the page to the MySQL usage area. The limit here is 10 million conuaries a month. With the e-mail alert notifications and the Print Edition promotion that I wish to re-instroduce, I’m expecting this amount of usage to double by the end of the summer – putting us closer to the Level 4 plan (US$ 80 per month – or US$ 960 a year if I pre-paid 12 months)

Since last Friday (so not quite a full week yet), our current pace puts us on track to reach about 12 million this month

US$20=NT$700

I don’t know about you, but NT$700 a month does not strike me as “a lot of money.” I spend more on cigarettes a month than that.

US$80=NT$2,790
US$960=NT$33,460

This is like a summer electricity bill. Not cheap, but not going to break the bank either.

I am not gainsaying Gus’ philanthropy – I’d pitch in a few bucks if there was an easy way to do it (Paypal would be the easiest), but it is his hobby after all.

If even half of the 2,271 registered users of this site kicked in NT$100 each, Gus would have enough money to run level 4 for more than three years. Or, of course, for one month and then a five-star vacation in the country of his choice for a while… :wink:

Why not organize some kind of “Save Forumosa” event (I know it’s not that serious). It could be at a club/pub/bar have a small cover (sell tickets in advance, a large cover, what ever). Then maybe some one would be willing to DJ the night (or a band or what not) and people could go, have some drinks’ a good time and leave with the feeling of helping forumosa stay afloat.

I’m positive that could be done. Problem solved (or not).

What about those banners at the top of this page. Are they free?

Yes. :sunglasses:

I think the save Forumosa party would be fun. It would give us a reason to go to Taipei

  • Save Forumosa party
  • Save “Aliens in Taiwan” party for Hartzell
  • Save Maoman blogs party
  • Save Poagao and find him and English publisher party
  • Get the founder of itaiwan a therapist party (perhaps not a worthy cause)

All of these would be a good excuse to have a party.

[quote=“Boss Hogg”]- Save Forumosa party

  • Save “Aliens in Taiwan” party for Hartzell
  • Save Maoman blogs party
  • Save Poagao and find him and English publisher party
  • Get the founder of itaiwan a therapist party (perhaps not a worthy cause)

All of these would be a good excuse to have a party.[/quote]

How about the “Meet Boss Hogg Party” I’d be there for that one :smiley:

On a more serious note I got a reply from Dreamhost about buying the gift certificate. They said they need billing information. I’m a bit reluctant to give them all my details to make a one-off donation, so if someone can suggest an easier way to make a donation that would be good.

I think a simple way to raise funds would be to pass around Boss Hogg’s hat at the proposed Forumosa Happy Hour. If you filled his hat with NT$$$ that would probably keep Forumosa going for a year or two.

I apologize for all of the hoops Dreamhost is wanting to make people jump through. :blush: I was already signed up with them and so never saw the extra pages everyone else did. I’ll see if I can get that company to make things simpler for all concerned.

Doesn’t this thread make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside ? We’re talking about how best to help gus and how much we love him (not in that way but you what I mean). While on itaiwan they only talk about how much they hate people…

Pass around my hat.

Are you saying that I have a big head or something?

Shame it will be in Taipei - I don’t (they don’t let me)get out much

This may sound simplistic, but if we’re going to have happy hours, how about selling raffle tickets.