Picking up from here.
Please continue discussion re this topic here.
And another thing… there should be no double standards!!!
Hirsi Ali: shut anti-woman, anti-gay Dutch mosque
22 April 2004
AMSTERDAM
And from yesterday’s Jordan Times:
25-year-old woman stabbed to death
By Rana Husseini
AMMAN
[quote=“european”]fred, flipper, blueface, and other pro-war armchair generals you can now help the cause.
Go and enlist, your help is required, don’t worry you won’t be directly responsible for murdering innocent babies (not that that would be on your conscience anyway), but you can do your part.[/quote]
Angels are alot more fun to shoot.
This basically sums things up but there are some good ideas in here… how about the bolded for a new approach? Hmmm. What’s fair for one is fair for the other?
Eighty thousand people - 80,000. Men, women and children. Muslims and non-Muslims alike. All slated to be executed by a combination of explosives and chemical poison in a terrorist attack in Jordan.
This is the true nature of those we are fighting. In fact it is their greatest advantage: There is no moral second-guessing over “collateral damage.” For the Islamo-fascist, there is no such thing as collateral damage.
To clearly comprehend what this means, imagine the United States military operating under the same circumstances.
Fallujah and Najaf? Two well-aimed nukes, end of resistance. The Tora Bora mountain range? A nuclear wasteland uninhabitable for centuries. American casualties? Virtually non-existent.
Scary? It ought to be. It’s exactly the mentality of the enemy.
Yet we are still naive enough to believe it is not so. In Iraq, we are looking for “diplomatic solutions.” From thuggish regimes and tin-pot dictators, “compromise.”
The American mindset is dedicated to finding the silver lining in every dark cloud. Maybe 3,000 executed in Lower Manhattan was insufficient. Maybe 80,000 people somewhere will make the ultimate sacrifice for our “tolerance.”
What will we say to the survivors?
Come on bite bite bite oh please bite. A tray of smoked salmon, caviar, and Russian champagne has put me in the mood for some Rascal arguments but he’s gone to Germany. Won’t someone please oh please bite. haha
A gruesome thought:
Dozens killed in Thai gun battles
Is it only a matter of time until a crew of decadent, backpacking Euro-ravers in Ko Samui or Phangan are slaughtered by the Islamic militants in the south of Thailand?
Barbarians.
Settler mother and daughters shot dead
Conal Urquhart and agencies
Monday May 3, 2004
The Guardian
A bloodied, bullet-ridden stationwagon near a crossing from Gaza to southern Israel told of the brutal end of Tali Hatuel, 34, and her four daughters, aged from two to 11. The mother was eight months pregnant.
They were the first Gaza settlers to be killed since 2002, and the manner of their deaths may have hardened opposition to the pull-out - executed, as they were, by two Palestinian gunmen as they headed off to campaign against Ariel Sharon’s plan to abandon their settlement of Gush Qatif.
The militants forced the car off the road and fired round after round at the wreckage at close range. Rescue workers said the children had bullet wounds to the head.
The stationwagon was riddled with bullets, its windows blown away. Blood seeped on to the brightly coloured pages of a children’s book that had tumbled to the floor.
guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 44,00.html
Investigation into the Slaughter of Hatual Family
It was also learned that the terrorists not only murdered the 34-year-old mother of four who was eight months pregnant along with her children, but then ran up to the vehicle and took a video of the results of their actions, filming the young victims as they bled to death.
israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=61758
Hmmmmmmm:
He came towards me and said, with a smile: “Hi. How goes it?” He was chewing a blade of grass. “I’m going to take care of you.”
My name is Souad. My story began almost 25 years ago in my native village in the West Bank, a tiny place, in a region then occupied by the Israelis.
What exactly is the governing rule here? That incendiary images sure to enrage our enemies and get more Americans killed should be published, while images that show the world just how evil those enemies really are should be suppressed? Offensive and shocking pictures that undermine the war effort should be played up, but offensive and shocking pictures that remind us why we’re at war in the first place shouldn’t get played at all?
Yes, Virginia, there really is a gaping media double standard. News organizations will shield your tender eyes from the sight of a Berg or a Daniel Pearl being decapitated or of Sept. 11 victims jumping to their deaths, or of the mangled bodies on the USS Cole, or of Fallujans joyfully mutilating the remains of four lynched US civilians. But they will make sure you don’t miss the odious behavior of Americans or American allies, no matter how atypical that misbehavior may be, or how determined the US military is to uproot and punish it.
We are at war with a vicious enemy, and propaganda in wartime is a weapon whose consequences can be deadly. Nick Berg lost his life because the Abu Ghraib pictures were turned into a worldwide media event. Yes, those who did it were sheltered by the First Amendment. That makes their actions not better, but worse
Arab violence against innocent civilians is wrong.
Israeli violence against innocent civilians is wrong:
[color=blue]"The house off Salahudeen Street was home to S’ham Abu Libdeh. She lived in it for nearly 40 years, and she raised her seven children there. I spoke to her as she picked her way through the rubble that is now all that is left of her house.
Mrs Abu Libdeh said there was no warning that the bulldozers were coming.
“The Israelis gave us no time,” she said. “They were shooting. We ran with nothing.”
All she could grab were the children. And as they ran, she held up her headscarf like a white flag. . .
As Mrs Abu Libdeh spoke from its ruins she nearly wept with rage and despair, and twice, in the distance, there were bursts of gunfire.
“My sons and I are trying to salvage timber, but there’s nothing here,” Mrs Abu Libdeh said. "We are crying here. The scene is incredible.
“People are shocked. There’s nothing left of their homes. Everything is buried in the rubble.” [/color]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3718229.stm
Anyone who condones or rationalizes violence by either side against innocent civilians is guilty of having a double standard.
[quote=“spook”]Arab violence against innocent civilians is wrong.
Israeli violence against innocent civilians is wrong:
Anyone who condones or rationalizes violence by either side against innocent civilians is guilty of having a double standard.[/quote]
Wouldn’t you say there’s a slight difference between bulldozing someone’s house and sticking a AK-47’s barrel to a 2 year old baby’s head and pulling the trigger? Just a [i]slight[/i] difference?
The preliminary investigation indicates that two terrorists came from the nearby Arab town Dir el-Balah and waited for an Israeli car to pass by on the main vehicular artery into the Gush Katif region. The first burst of gunfire targeted a civilian vehicle, murdering Tali Hatual, 34, of Moshav Katif, who was eight months pregnant. Also murdered were her daughters, Hila (11), Hadar (9), Roni (7) and Meirav (2).
reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm … ID=5156185
nytimes.com/2004/05/16/inter … ner=GOOGLE
You think the world would alot better off if all those troublesome Jews just disappeared, right? Then the Muslims would just [color=red]
LOVE
[/color] America.
The irony of course is that it is very likely that those Palestinian “refugees” will be treated at hospitals in Israel, and of course, there is no mention of why Israel is firing missiles at selected targets. It would be sort of like I don’t know the US targeting militants in Fallujah and Najaf who go to mosques and use women and children as shields and then decry any violence as excessive.
We are at war. Let’s fight and make sure we win it.
Here’s something our reigning feminists will want to support that is er if they were up on issues that were truly of importance to women…
The government in the conservative Gulf Arab state of Kuwait has embarked on a new effort to grant women full political rights.
The Council of Ministers approved a bill allowing women to vote and to stand for election which must now go before the 50-member parliament.
Legislators narrowly defeated a similar move in 1999 under pressure from Islamic and tribal lobbies.
Women in oil-rich Kuwait have been campaigning for the vote for decades.
The Council of Ministers said after its weekly cabinet meeting it hoped to amend Kuwait’s 1962 election law as part of its policy of “broadening popular participation”.
Under the new legislation, women would be allowed to both stand and vote in parliamentary elections.
It must be approved by the Emir, Sheikh Jabir al-Ahmad al-Jabir al-Sabah, before being presented to parliament.
The emir submitted the bill defeated five years ago.
Blueface
Like the Israeli government, you are equating anyone who thinks Israeli government actions are wrong as being anti Jewish. Not only is this lazy, it is obviously untrue.
[quote=“fred smith”]Here’s something our reigning feminists will want to support that is er if they were up on issues that were truly of importance to women…
The government in the conservative Gulf Arab state of Kuwait has embarked on a new effort to grant women full political rights.
The Council of Ministers approved a bill allowing women to vote and to stand for election which must now go before the 50-member parliament.
Legislators narrowly defeated a similar move in 1999 under pressure from Islamic and tribal lobbies. [/quote]
Well there goes the neighborhood.
[quote=“butcher boy”]Blueface
Like the Israeli government, you are equating anyone who thinks Israeli government actions are wrong as being anti Jewish. Not only is this lazy, it is obviously untrue.[/quote]
Uhmmmmm. Not Jewish, are you? And haven’t lived in any Muslim countries either? 
Maybe you should take this idea up with some Muslims and see what they have to tell you.
[quote]The United States has opposed the destruction of Palestinian homes by Israel, saying the action was counterproductive to its efforts to resolve the Middle East crisis.
“We oppose the destruction of homes. We don’t think that is productive. Israel has a right for self-defense, but the kind of actions that they are taking in Rafah, the destruction of Palestinian homes, we oppose,” Secretary of State Colin Powell said yesterday at the World Economic Forum in Jordan.[/quote]
hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holn … 171015.htm