Falun Gong is not a cult!

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Falun Dafa is good, and is not a cult.

[quote][4/23/2006-4/26/2006]

Illinois House of Representatives Passes Resolution Condemning Harvesting of Organs from Living Falun Gong Practitioners in China [4/26/2006]
Eighty-One US Congressmen Join to Request Bush to Investigate CCP Atrocities of Live Organ Harvesting (Photo) [4/25/2006]
Canadians Condemn the CCP’s Crimes against Falun Gong Practitioners (4) [4/24/2006]
Vancouver, Canada: Prime Minister Harper Responds to Practitioners’ Call for End to Persecution (Photos) [4/23/2006]
Taiwan: 54 Legislative Committee Members Urge International Community To Investigate Chinese Labor Camps (Photos) [4/23/2006]
Councilmember from City of San Jose Urges President Bush to Stop the CCP’s Brutal Persecution of Falun Gong Practitioners [4/23/2006]
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More here:
clearwisdom.net/emh/30/

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CCP is a evil cult! :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

But if you join my cult, together we can crush the evil! Come, Lizi! Come! Accept the teachings of the ONE TRUE ONE (that’s me, of course) and live forever in peace and harmony with nature, smiting the evil-doers and paving the way to the heaven, where we can sit on the right hand of the High Heidyin for eternity, dining on the livers of Hu Jintao and the other evil CCP cultists.

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I see holes in your logic here Lizi. These things have more to do with human rights than with proving or disproving whether or not FLG is or is not a cult.

Why not adopt a middle road?: FLG is a good cult! :rainbow:

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Nah, just a stupid cult…

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All cultists claim that their cult is not a cult…except for Subgenius…

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[quote=“jdsmith”]I see holes in your logic here Lizi. These things have more to do with human rights than with proving or disproving whether or not FLG is or is not a cult.

Why not adopt a middle road?: FLG is a good cult! :rainbow:[/quote]

Then, these things are expressing the welcome from the world:

clearwisdom.net/emh/special_ … ition.html

Do you think any cult can get so many awards from the govenments?

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:noway:

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Honestly, yes, when the awards are meant more as a slap in the face to a repressive government.

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[quote=“Lizi1118”]Do you think any cult can get so many awards from the govenments?[/quote]Been there, covered that. Get a new spiel. And yes, they can. I’m sure you’ll be able to find plenty of awards given, many just as meaningless as the ones given to Fruity Gong, given to Mormonism, for example.

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[quote]Houston, Texas Named Master Li:
“Honorary Citizen” and “Goodwill Ambassador”
Proclaimed “Li Hongzhi Day”[/quote]

Do you think the government dfficials did not think the practice is good, and just wanted to slap ccp and they can claim that?

If they are not reponsible to their citizens, how can they continue to get the votes from the mass?

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[quote]City of Portsmouth

Proclamation

Whereas, Falun Gong began in China in 1992 as a mind and body improvement system based on the principles of Truth, Compassion, and Tolerance; and

Whereas, Falun Gong has attracted over 100 million people from more than 60 countries; and

Whereas, since coming to Virginia in 1996, Falun Gong Practitioners have offered numerous free workshops and seminars to teach Falun Gong to the local community; and

Whereas, Falun Gong is a non-political, peaceful and beneficial practice that is being persecuted in China where more than 100,000 of its followers have been arrested, detained, tortured or killed; and

Whereas, Falun Gong is designed to preserve precious human traditions such as loyalty, unselfishness, and honesty, and the Portsmouth Family is pleased to join with the many good friends, practitioners, and followers of Falun Gong in extending our best wishes.

Now, Therefore, I, Dr. James W. Holley III, Mayor of the City of Portsmouth, Virginia do hereby proclaim the week of July 24-30, 2004, as

“Falun Gong Awareness Week”

in Portsmouth, and urge our citizens to become more knowledgeable in Falun Gong and to participate in activities on Falun Gong Day.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of Portsmouth, Virginia to be affixed this thirteenth day of June, two thousand four.

Dr. James W. Holley III

Mayor

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Any cult can get this?

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Do you think ccp, or others who donot regard Falun Gong as a good practice are much more clever all the governments, and 100 million practitioners?

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Do you think this formal Proclamation is just for a slap at evil ccp’s face?

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a thoughtful examination of the question “what is a cult” (from a Christian perspective) is here spiritwatch.org/cultdef.htm

this list was provided as possible indicators towards an answer to this difficult question

7 ELEMENTS OF A CULTIC GROUP

  1. A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority

  2. A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as “the truth”

  3. A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging

  4. A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group

  5. A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members

  6. A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics

  7. A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives

anyone have any opinions if these apply here? the second rings true regarding flg (lizi’s frequent statements of fact come to mind) but that in itself is far from an indictment much less a conviction.

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[quote=“Lizi1118”]Any cult can get this?[/quote]One already did, you just showed us.

[quote=“Lizi1118”]Do you think this formal Proclamation is just for a slap at evil ccp’s face?[/quote]Yes.

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[quote=“Tempo Gain”]7 ELEMENTS OF A CULTIC GROUP

  1. A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority[/quote]See: Lizi’s constant references to the ultimate truth of Li Hongzhi.

[quote]2) A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as “the truth”[/quote]See: Everything Lizi says.

[quote]3) A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging[/quote]OK, Lizi managed to foul this up, but other, less incompetent FLGers do a decent job.

[quote]4) A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group[/quote]Not sure, although the “Get your Falun personally installed by Li Hongzhi” might count.

[quote]5) A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members[/quote]Not sure.

[quote]6) A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics [/quote]Plenty of deception, at least.

[quote]7) A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives[/quote]“Spiritual abuse”? That’s a bit vague.

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[quote=“Lizi1118”]If they are not reponsible to their citizens, how can they continue to get the votes from the mass?[/quote]Coming from a dictatorship, your lack of understanding of how politics works is entirely understandable.

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[quote=“Tempo Gain”]a thoughtful examination of the question “what is a cult” (from a Christian perspective) is here spiritwatch.org/cultdef.htm

this list was provided as possible indicators towards an answer to this difficult question

7 ELEMENTS OF A CULTIC GROUP

  1. A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority

  2. A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as “the truth”

  3. A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging

  4. A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group

  5. A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members

  6. A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics

  7. A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives

anyone have any opinions if these apply here? the second rings true regarding flg (lizi’s frequent statements of fact come to mind) but that in itself is far from an indictment much less a conviction.[/quote]

That sounds like the catholic church to me.

Whether it’s the catholic church, FG, or Islam, it’s all the same to me. The accepted ones have been pumped into the pysche for so long, that many don’t question the nonsense.

Calling one ‘wacky’ and accepting others with their tales of flying angels etc is hard to comprehend.

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Scientology has been accused of using its… whatever… training, “free” analysis sessions as a brain-washing technique.

FLG tells any prospective member the first thing they should do is sign up for a 9-day meditative training session, during which Li Hongzhi’s lectures on videotape are played every day. What do you think sitting on a cot in a fixed meditative position a few hours every day does to you? It absolutely makes your mind far more vulnerable to “suggestion”.

As far as psychological and other abuses… you’ve already seen what Lizi has had to say on this forum. FLG members are expected to “help” their family/friends practice FLG, in order to be saved + reach heaven. There are plenty of families that have been destroyed after FLG members reject their non-FLG practicing relatives.

Let’s ask Lizi a question. Let’s say you were married (I don’t know), and your husband refused to practice Falun Gong. He thinks Li Hongzhi is a fraud who’s profiting off of book sales. He insists on doing activities that Falun Gong considers “evil”. Would you stay with him? Would you try to convert him?

By the way, this is on the FLG website under their basic introduction: (in the Chinese-language section, but NOT in the English-language section)

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另据北京某辅导站对584名学员调查，结果表明：96.5%的人原有症状消失或明显好转；87.6%的人炼功后不再求医问药。[/quote]
Based on a Beijing-based Falun Gong activity center, of the 584 members surveyed, the diseases/conditions of 96.5% of members had either disappeared, or at least noticeably improved. 87.6% of those surveyed, after starting their FLG practice, never again needed to seek medical care (‘beg doctor, ask for drugs’).

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I think many people deny that they are members of Falun Dafa, and believe instead that they are practicing Qi Gong for health purposes. If this is the case, then I believe Falun Dafa is not a cult.