Finally moving back to Taiwan (Noel update)

It has been a strange year. We ended up back in Canada, after our eight months of travel. First we were in Winnipeg (our hometown) for a few months to visit with family, and then we moved to Ottawa (the Capitol) with the intention of me working for the federal government.

I applied to a ton of jobs, and some of them went to interview. All of these jobs took FOREVER to do the application process - we are talking 8 months to a year. Funny thing is, I made it to several interviews at the same time in June, when my wife and I decided that Canada was definitely no longer for us.

There are many reasons, but money, the environment, and culture are the top of the list. I was applying for good paying government jobs ($70-80K CAD, which sadly for government jobs in Canada is decent pay), and after running the numbers, with my wife staying home to homeschool our son, we would actually be losing money. Canada has become so expensive that it is almost impossible to live here without both parents working full-time. This doesn’t work for us.

Next, the environment - this needs a touch of explanation. The winters in Canada suck, we all know. However, normally the summers are sweet respite. Now, with the current forest fire problem, all of Canada is pretty much covered in smoke for a significant period of the summer. Going outside becomes a hazard, and outside exercise during these periods is a complete no go. Needless to say, this makes the summers here suck. No thanks - I would rather deal with occasional Taiwan pollution.

Then the culture. Everything needs a car, and is far. We hate it. People in this part of Canada are not very friendly, and very entitled. And a weird pet peeve of mine, everyone seems to think walking their dogs pretty much everywhere off-leash is ok. As a runner (and a parent) this is at the best annoying. I have been charged by vicious dogs three times in the last six months. Yeesh.

And then there is the healthcare. My wife was waiting 8 months to see a specialist for her ear. The appointment was just cancelled a week before it was supposed to happen, with a nebulous promise that it will be rebooked at some point in the future. And good luck finding a General Practitioner accepting new patients - they don’t exist. And if you want to go to a walk-in as a replacement, you need an appointment! Often they are booked up over a week in advance. The only good thing is that the care is free. At least if you have an emergency, hospitals are ok - you may have to wait 8 hours to see a doctor though …

Rant over (for now).

So as a result, a pulled my applications for the multiple jobs I was in the process for, and we booked tickets to Taipei for the end of November. That is when our lease ends.

The plan is to chill out in Taipei for six weeks or so, then Kaohsiung for a month. We want to have a good knowledge of both cities to see in which place we want to live.

Then, we will see. I need a job of some sort for a visa, but I don’t want to work full-time. So probably I will get an English teaching job in the afternoon just to pay the bills and for an ARC. The plan would be to start work for after Chinese New Year. We will see how it goes.

After that, maybe open a business in the next couple of years? It depends if I can figure some decent business ideas I suppose. (@Marco We should chat! Maybe lunch when I get to Taipei?)

We are all really looking forward to being back in Taiwan again - it has been almost 4 years since we visited last, and 14 years since we lived there last. Man time flies.

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Welcome back, Noel. Taiwan is unbeatable as a place to start a business.

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What do you have in mind?

I’m still trying to figure it out, especially in relation to the Taiwan market. If you have any good ones you would like to share, feel free to message me!

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I really don’t. Nothing huge anyway. I don’t need to raise a family or plan for retirement. I’m coming in light in obligations. :laughing:

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Luckily our investments pretty much have us covered for retirement. It is more something to be passionate about for the next 10-15 years, and to cover our costs until then.

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That’s cool. I’m in a five year plan right now. That’ll get me to official retirement, just resigning now. Watching the money we have put away ebb and flow will determine the path after 2030.

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He’s planning on coming in November. It’s still August. :joy:

@Noel many of the points you made about being in Canada hit close to home for me. The one qualifier I would add is this: large parts of North America are indeed severely affected by forest fire / air quality issues, which are no joke and deeply unfun to experience. It does not follow however that Taiwan will somehow magically be spared of impacts from the climate emergency. Off the top of my head, I could name: long punishing stretches of heat; increasing probability of extremely damaging storms which have sucked up vast amounts of water due to rising ocean temperatures; sea level rise; and so on. I won’t rain on your planned parade (ha!) and I personally think Taiwan is far better governed than Canada right now—but we too in Taiwan will be impacted by climate issues in some form(s).

Guy

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Sounds like a good plan! I gave up on the West a couple of years ago, after donating my soul, health, and energy to the corporations for over a decade. Also almost took on a government job in DC after a 1.5-year interview process (so glad it didn’t word out in the end).

Finally got tired of the cold winters and having no health insurance, so I quit my job with the corporation and decided to start my own business and start a new life in Taiwan. I’ve been here two years and it’s the best decision I’ve made in my life.

Just one thing, your family might not survive on your part-time English teacher’s salary, but could be doable if you really budget and choose Kaohsiung over Taipei. Rent here is significantly lower than Taipei, while salaries are generally not (comparing similar ESL teaching jobs).

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As of course you know, the first applies to most parts of Canada—but the second is a US-specific problem shared by no other advanced industrial nation in the world.

Guy

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This is a significant reason why we are seriously considering Kaohsiung. And overall, we are pretty adept at living frugally.

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I would be interested in having a lunch or something when we are in Kaohsiung to chat about the ins and outs setting up a business.

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For sure! Although I must admit I didn’t actually register a company here. It’s a bit tough for ARC holders, but we can have a chat about your options, and I can connect you with the right people.

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Taiwan’s a GREAT place to start a business, but if you’re confined to the market in Taiwan then keeping that business is going to be much harder.

So manufacturing business, with a steady stream of buyers all over the world, even contracts and such is going to be what you are going to do. Taiwan’s market is far too small, you seen how hard it is in Canada, and Canada’s population is only about 1.5x Taiwan’s.

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT start a restaurant or hospitality business in Taiwan. You will be competing with basically the entire country, who have much lower costs than you do and very steady customer source, and you would be breaking into a market where there’s basically no tourist (Taiwan is not a tourist destination) and competing for a small number of expats if you are hoping to open another steak house or bar. If you are going to start a restaurant, then put that money into an IRA, 401k, CD, or whatever fixed term saving account banks offer… because your rate of return is going to be higher than opening a restaurant, and bank deposit is safe, but restaurant is not. Study has shown that 80% of all restaurants close up within 5 years. Don’t be one of those. Also those restaurants that does profit do not profit all that much. Unless you are mcdonalds, don’t even bother. But for some reason everyone and their dogs want to open a restaurant or bar. Guys will egg you on to do it because they’re profiting where you are losing.

If opening a business make sure it is to the global market. Most businesses in Taiwan operate this way, even those dingy little screw shops (how do you think a shop can survive selling nothing but screws??) caters to a global customer base. TSMC became massive by catering to a global customer base, and so did Foxconn. It’s the way in Taiwan.

Even @QuaSaShao is catering to a global customer base.

If you’re thinking to start a cram school, don’t. Not with Taiwan’s aging and shrinking population and the fact that you got the first problem, you are confined to Taiwan’s market.

You got a Taiwanese wife, great. Have her help you with the legal stuff and get you connections, but make sure your customer base is global. Otherwise your chance of survival is about as good as being stuck on a desert island with no food.

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What culture? Great topography–shame about the people. :laughing: :clown_face:

Canada has become so expensive

Yip, I was shocked last Summer. Going back for Xmas this year to the Island…am preparing to be even more shocked. Luckily I won’t be paying :cowboy_hat_face:

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May I ask what kind of business?

I build websites for clients around the world.

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Wasn’t thinking about it.

Also not thinking about it even with my decade of teaching experience both in Taiwan and Canada. This is part of the reason I am trying to explore new business ideas.

But I don’t have a Taiwanese wife, thanks.

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I’m sorry, I should have asked first.

I don’t know then. You’re going to want someone who knows how things are done in Taiwan but I guess before you do any of that, you need to find out what possible markets you can break into. Just make sure it’s not Taiwan market.

Chinese market may be ok, as their market is huge and so there are going to be needs that needs filling.

But see if there’s anything in the US or Canada that Taiwan can help fill.

I’m sorry to hear that

Ottawa is like that, yeah. The city that fun forgot

He said there are investments, and he’s looking at business opportunities…

I wonder if @Noel had looked into a gold card? Only 3 years to APRC that route…

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