Gender pronouns: What are your pronouns?

[shiadoa]

@Taiwan_Netizen

sure, let me rephrase, they go on lengthy diatribes via podcast and youtube about the ‘oppression’ from the left.

As opposed to lengthy diatribes from you about the "oppression from the “Right”…?

[yyy]

@shiadoa

Did you even see the “ I thought ?“ or did you just ignore it ?

Did you even see my previous posts deconstructing the claim? Or did you just ignore them?

@BiggusDickus

@yyy

@shiadoa

C16 issue was about the Government forcing individuals to use dedicated Pronouns, I thought?

How many times do we need to go over this?

I you think this claim is true, please show some evidence. An angry rant by a philosophy professor doesn’t cut it.

It wasn’t an angry rant.

Fine, an ultra-grumpy rant.

(We’re talking about JP, right?)

@BiggusDickus

It’s a real enough thing for a police investigation and high court action for misgendering and deadnaming. After two opinionated people had an online row.

What “police investigation and high court action for misgendering”? That’s not what the article says.

@BiggusDickus

Also, this is the first time someone has been legally punished for misgendering through pronouns.

What “legal punishment for misgendering through pronouns”?

@the Guardian

Graham Linehan, the co-writer of the sitcom Father Ted, has been given a verbal harassment warning by police after a complaint by a transgender activist.

That’s not even a punishment.

@the Guardian

Linehan was told by West Yorkshire police not to contact the activist Stephanie Hayden, after a row on Twitter.

Hayden reported him for transphobia after he referred to her as “he” and for “deadnaming” her by referring to her by names used before she transitioned.

The pair had been involved in a dispute on Twitter about gender identity, resulting in the writer retweeting a post to his 672,000 followers that gave Hayden’s previous names with pictures.

Linehan alleges that Hayden posted several addresses linked to his family in an attempt to “shut me up”.

Hayden, who is pursuing civil proceedings accusing Linehan of harassment, defamation and misuse of private information, said she spent five hours providing a statement and evidence to police after the exchange.

There’s nothing in there about taking action against someone for improper pronoun use. Of course she would raise the pronoun issue as evidence of malicious intent (and he hasn’t helped himself by admitting he did it because he doesn’t like her), but the pronouns themselves are not what the case is about (based on the information in the article).

@BiggusDickus

The argument is that preferred pronouns will, obviously, be part of an individual’s “gender identity and expression”. Refusal to use them won’t be enough to be considered hate speech, but it will be discrimination. This could lead to some other punishments including fines. Refusal to pay fines as a matter of principle will eventually result in imprisonment.

In order for imprisonment not to be a possible outcome preferred pronouns would need to be explicitly excluded from “gender identity and expression”. Would you agree with this?

The short answer is no, and I stand by my previous analysis.

To be clear though, when you say “preferred pronouns”, do you mean just legally accepted pronouns (i.e. those found in any English dictionary), or do you mean the infinte possibilities from zir to Zir Majesty that started this thread?

[BiggusDickus]

The police have not been involved, she’s not taking legal action against Lineham, and this has nothing to do with pronouns.

[yyy]

Of course the police get involved when you report harassment to them.

Tip to anyone reporting harassment to the police: don’t mention gender issues, or the interwebs will get excited.

Stalking | United Kingdom

[Gain]

@Taiwan_Netizen

This is not a real thing, its not a real problem. Its a distraction to create fear and mistrust of the LGBT community. To make it seem like they want to fundamentally change society.

The society needs to be fundamentally changed if we want to stop stupid fearmongers.

[BiggusDickus]

He stalked her on his Twitter account?

[BiggusDickus]

@yyy

Of course the police get involved when you report harassment to them.

Tip to anyone reporting harassment to the police: don’t mention gender issues, or the interwebs will get excited.

This thread is about pronouns and therefore gender (at least in the English language).

Ms Hayden said: “I don’t take kindly to a public figure tweeting about me referring to me as a man and putting my legal name in quotation marks to suggest it’s not valid.”

[BiggusDickus]

@Gain

@Taiwan_Netizen

This is not a real thing, its not a real problem. Its a distraction to create fear and mistrust of the LGBT community. To make it seem like they want to fundamentally change society.

The society needs to be fundamentally changed if we want to stop stupid fearmongers.

Blimey, Gain, that’s actually really funny. Nice one!

[yyy]

Did we read the same article?

[BiggusDickus]

@yyy

Did we read the same article?

When I’m interested in a subject I read a lot about it. Obviously, the Guardian has an agenda and presents the facts that support this. It just happens that the Guardian was the first place I read about this issue.

I would consider myself a fool if I took the facts as selected by the Guardian to be the whole truth.

[yyy]

Would you be so kind, o amice imperatoris, to share your other source(s) with us?

(Instead of just quoting them without identification, I mean…)

[BiggusDickus]

@yyy

Would you be so kind, o amice imperatoris, to share your other source(s) with us?

(Instead of just quoting them without identification, I mean…)

I’m on my phone, so it’s not easy. I can assure I’m not making any quotes up, although the media organisation could be I suppose. Give me a couple of minutes.

It was probably here:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-given-police-warning-after-transphobia-report-1.3654626%3Fmode=amp

[yyy]

@Irish Times

Linehan, who lives in Norfolk, has sent tweets calling her Tony and Steven, references to her former names.

As included in Ms Hayden’s lawsuit, Linehan also tweeted: “I don’t respect the pronouns of misogynists, stalkers or harassers, and Tony is all three.”

Sounds like a flame war to me, not specifically a pronoun war.

I would wait for the details of the case, rather than assuming the sky is falling.

[BiggusDickus]

@yyy

I would wait for the details of the case, rather than assuming the sky is falling.

It’s probably just a tempest in a teacup.

[Rockefeller]

What are languages 1-3?

@Andrew0409

English technically would be my 4th language.

[Andrew0409]

I would have learned mandarin, Korean and Taiwanese hokkien before I was exposed to English. They even made me take Spanish as a “second language” while I’m just learning English. Really stupid.

[Taiwan_Netizen]

Gender pronouns: What are your pronouns?

As opposed to lengthy diatribes from you about the "oppression from the “Right”…?

do not talk about that, but nice job strawmanning

[Andrew0409]

@Taiwan_Netizen

strawmanning

You would be the foremost expert on that after Cathy Newman.

[IulusGrun]

I have decided that my pronoun is “I”.

Try referring to me without sounding like an idiot.

I dare you.

[Dawud]

The poster above is an idiot.