maybe this has already been said, but why not just leave before you get deported, like tomorrow? Could save you a lot of hassle.
Yeah, I would just duck ASAP.
Friends suggested this too. But I think it is already too late. They have already stated that I am being deported and I need to leave the country within the next ten days. So even if I leave tomorrow I am still being deported. If I had left last week before I was told I was being deported then this would have been a good idea. That is where the hindsight comes in.
So I can’t really leave before getting deported even though I have ten days to go. Or is my logic wrong?
Just to let you know I am ex DFAT and thats why I gave the advice I did. Good you will just replace and not “lose” your document. Canberra doesn’t care if you get deported you are not convicted of a criminal offence. That won’t go against you for any future passport applications. As you said yes they do inform Canberra. You will be fine to leave and get on with your travels elsewhere. Very unfortunate what happened to you yes. ACIO will be informed but it may be after you have left.
You can always leave early, you have been given ten days to leave and you can leave at anytime you like.
No not direct computer links but the information is shared. There are many agencies that share information nowadays and many countired governments have bilateral arrangements to share that information should the need arise…
I concur with Sat TV. Losing your passport is not a good thing and you could end up with a limited validity one if the pp issuing authorities are suspicious. DFAT doesn’t care if you’ve been deported, but they do care about genuine Aussie passports floating about in the criminal underworld. Look at how upset they got with MOSSAD over their use of Aussie passports.
Don’t think getting a new passport number will help either. The immigration police here have scans of your ID page anyway, and search on name and date of birth, not nationality and pp number. Even if you come back with a different nationality they’ll know.
Deportation often means you will have an entry or exit stamp with an X through it, or similar markings. Other immigration officers in other countries will recognise this and at the very least will take you aside to file a report before deciding whether to let you in. This happened to me in HK with a mere technical overstay of one day on a resident visa and I was on my way to pick up a work permit authorisation in HK. Even so, I had an interview with HK immigration and they let me in. So you’ll definitely want a new one.
If DFAT won’t let you swap for a new one, send them the old one but damaged say by putting in the washing machine at 95 degrees. As long as they get the thing back they should be happy. All they’re worried about is gangsters and spies getting hold of their passports. Your passport of course belongs to the government and not you.
Can’t you just leave? If this were me, and I had been given my pp back and wasn’t in a holding cell I’d be off to the airport to leave normally. I assume you can’t do that, but why? Have they stamped “subject to deportation proceedings” or something in your pp? Did a man with a pointy badge and ten gallon hat tell you “now don’t you be thinkin’ about leaving town now son”?
Years ago a guy I know was caught working without a permit and was given ten days to leave. He just left. They stamped him “no return in five years” or equivalent but he was able to pass through the airport no problem.
Lucan,
Nobody ever took my passport. I have my passport and am allowed to leave Taiwan any time within the next 9 days. No problems leaving Taiwan. After that I will be sharing a bunk with uncle Chen.
And no, I have no ambitions about re-entering Taiwan any time soon. I ask about going to different countries.
I have sent a perfectly nice passport to an Aussie embassy before. No problems.
A few phone calls later… apparently ZERO people have had a deportation successfully appealed.
[quote=“sanbah”]Lucan,
A few phone calls later… apparently ZERO people have had a deportation successfully appealed.[/quote]
I’m not sure that’s true. In 2007, a Nigerian national who was a resident by marriage had his deportation reversed by the High Administrative Court in 95年訴字第2581號. The facts of that case were very different.
Let’s be clear on terminology here, sanbah, you are not being deported. Deported is when the authorities take your passport, put you in a holding cell, and take you directly from there to the airport in a police car, and walk you onto the plane. The airline is given your passport to give to you when the plane arrives. This is how it has happened to people I knew here in Taiwan. (A Korean girl caught working in a restaurant, foe example.)
It appears you’re just being asked to leave. Can’t see that affecting your future travel and you’ll be able to truthfully answer “no” to the question “have you ever been deported?”
[quote=“Lord Lucan”]Let’s be clear on terminology here, sanbah, you are not being deported. Deported is when the authorities take your passport, put you in a holding cell, and take you directly from there to the airport in a police car, and walk you onto the plane. The airline is given your passport to give to you when the plane arrives. This is how it has happened to people I knew here in Taiwan. (A Korean girl caught working in a restaurant, foe example.)
It appears you’re just being asked to leave. Can’t see that affecting your future travel and you’ll be able to truthfully answer “no” to the question “have you ever been deported?”[/quote]
Not so sure about that. Different countries handle deportation differently, and each situation is different. It’s fairly common knowledge that getting caught teaching illegally in Taiwan gets you deported. They still give you a few days to organize your affairs. Test positive for HIV gets you deported, too, but here too you get time to organize your affairs. Being locked up and escorted to the plane, or being asked to leave by a certain deadline, at the end of the day is being deported. 
[quote=“CraigTPE”][quote=“Lord Lucan”]Let’s be clear on terminology here, sanbah, you are not being deported. Deported is when the authorities take your passport, put you in a holding cell, and take you directly from there to the airport in a police car, and walk you onto the plane. The airline is given your passport to give to you when the plane arrives. This is how it has happened to people I knew here in Taiwan. (A Korean girl caught working in a restaurant, foe example.)
It appears you’re just being asked to leave. Can’t see that affecting your future travel and you’ll be able to truthfully answer “no” to the question “have you ever been deported?”[/quote]
Not so sure about that. Different countries handle deportation differently, and each situation is different. It’s fairly common knowledge that getting caught teaching illegally in Taiwan gets you deported. They still give you a few days to organize your affairs. Test positive for HIV gets you deported, too, but here too you get time to organize your affairs. Being locked up and escorted to the plane, or being asked to leave by a certain deadline, at the end of the day is being deported. [/quote]
Yeah its an interesting question…I had a stamp “requesting passport holder to leave within 3 days” after an overstay of some time. The difference is its not forcible deportation and your freedom is not restricted in the interim. But in Taiwan that’s mainly because you are white. Pilipinos and Mainland Chinese (of the non-tourist variety) are often held at local cop shops or out in Sanxia until someone coughs up the funds for a flight home.
Tomato/Tomahto…Deported/Asked to leave…I think what everything actually boils down to is if the OP ever wants to return to Taiwan. If he does, he will have to fill out a visa application form and answer some questions which specifically address his issues.
[quote=“Taiwan Visa Application Form”]
請據實回答以下問題ALL APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO READ AND CHECK THE APPROPRIATE BOX FOR EACH ITEM:
A.是否在中華民國境內或境外曾有犯罪紀錄或曾經拒絕入境、限令出境或驅逐出境？
Have you had any criminal record within or outside the territory of the R.O.C. or have you ever been denied entry,
[color=#FF0000]ordered to leave[/color] or deported by the R.O.C. government？…………………………□[color=#FF0000]YES[/color]….□NO
B.是否曾非法入境中華民國者？
Have you ever entered Taiwan, R.O.C. illegally？…………………………………………………□YES….□NO
C.是否患有足以妨害公共衛生或社會安寧之傳染病(如愛滋病)、精神病,或吸毒或其他疾病或吸毒成癮者？
Have you ever been afflicted with a communicable disease of public health significance such as AIDS, a dangerous physical or mental disorder, or been a drug abuser or addict？……………………………□YES…□NO
D.是否曾在中華民國境內逾期停留、逾期居留或非法工作？
Have you ever overstayed visitor or resident visas [color=#FF0000]or worked illegally[/color] in Taiwan, R.O.C.？……□[color=#FF0000]YES[/color]…□NO
E.是否曾從事管制藥品(如毒品)交易？
Have you ever been a controlled substance (drug) trafficker？………………………………………………………□YES…□NO
F.你是否曾遭中華民國駐外代表機構拒發簽證？
Have you ever been refused a visa at an R.O.C. mission？……………………………………………………….□YES…□NO
G.是否曾以其他姓名申請中華民國簽證？
Have you ever applied for an R.O.C. visa with a different name？……………………□YES…□NO
對以上任何一項的回答是「是」並非自動表示沒有資格獲得簽證。如果你的回答是「是」，或對任何一項有疑問，
最好請你親自來面談。如果現在不能親自來，請另備書面說明與申請表一齊提出。
Attention : YES answer does not necessarily signify ineligibility for a visa. If you answered YES to any of the questions listed above or if you have any question in this regard, personal appearance at this office is recommended. If you are not to file the application in person, please prepare and attach a statement with explanatory notes to this form.[/quote]
In regards to his desire to travel to other countries, I don’t think he’ll have any issues, unless his passport gets a big red stamp saying DEPORTED or NO ENTRY into his passport, or other countries visa application forms ask if he has ever been deported/asked to leave or caught working illegally in any other countries. Then, he would have to consider whether or not to lie on his visa application. At any rate, I doubt very seriously if Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Japan, France, England, or any other country keeps tabs on people who break immigration laws in Taiwan. The amount of information that would create would be unmanageable in terms of sharing with other countries in a efficient manner.
Well that settles the matter then. I am not being deported. I am merely being ‘ordered to leave’. A bit of a bitch to return here but not to go elsewhere. Also, as most other countries don’t recognise Taiwan as being a country I can honestly say I have never been deported from any other country. Unless I try to emigrate somewhere random like Paraguay.
So yeah, I have accepted my fate. Basically never admit. Never sign anything. Lie. Lie. Lie.
When my Kid Castle got raided I got caught. The woman stood at my door and took a photo of me with her cellphone. So I opened the door asking if she would like a better photo and if she was interested in placing her child in the school. She told me it’s illegal to teach 5 year olds. I showed her my tax receipts, ARC, told her that can’t be true. (my boss was racing to work at the time)
After a very convincing act that I had no idea, she sat me down and did a long interview. She wrote my answers down in English and I signed the statement. When she left I think I crapped, puked, cried and sneezed at the same time. I called her a million times after that and she assured me I’m ok. I signed a statement saying from that day onward I know it’s illegal. I didn’t feel safe until a couple month later when I went on holiday and was allowed back in.
I also told her I will leave that school because my boss hired me and I had no idea it was illegal. She said nooooo, your boss took the blame, that hardly ever happens…stay with the school, just teach older students.
[quote=“Battery9”]When my Kid Castle got raided I got caught. The woman stood at my door and took a photo of me with her cellphone. So I opened the door asking if she would like a better photo and if she was interested in placing her child in the school. She told me it’s illegal to teach 5 year olds. I showed her my tax receipts, ARC, told her that can’t be true. (my boss was racing to work at the time)
After a very convincing act that I had no idea, she sat me down and did a long interview. She wrote my answers down in English and I signed the statement. When she left I think I crapped, puked, cried and sneezed at the same time. I called her a million times after that and she assured me I’m ok. I signed a statement saying from that day onward I know it’s illegal. I didn’t feel safe until a couple month later when I went on holiday and was allowed back in.
I also told her I will leave that school because my boss hired me and I had no idea it was illegal. She said nooooo, your boss took the blame, that hardly ever happens…stay with the school, just teach older students.[/quote]
:bravo: What? It’s illegal? But, here’s my ARC and tax receipts! I didn’t know! 
What now? Can you help? 
Well done there, B9! 
Well here I am at the airport waiting for my flight outa here. Went through immigration no problems. No red stamp. Nothing they just took my ARC and photocopied my passport.
Was told today that if I didn’t pay my tax then I wouldn’t be allowed to leave. Different department. So as another FU from Taiwan as I stayed here less than 6 months this year I get to pay 18% tax! So another $15,000 out of pocket!
But I should get $60,000 refund from last year though so some good news there.
Thanks for the help guys. Maybe see ya all in 3 years. But I doubt it. I really don’t have any ambitions to return here. But who knows.
Best of luck to you, sanbah.
[quote=“sanbah”]Well here I am at the airport waiting for my flight outa here. Went through immigration no problems. No red stamp. Nothing they just took my ARC and photocopied my passport.
Was told today that if I didn’t pay my tax then I wouldn’t be allowed to leave. Different department. So as another FU from Taiwan as I stayed here less than 6 months this year I get to pay 18% tax! So another $15,000 out of pocket!
But I should get $60,000 refund from last year though so some good news there.
Thanks for the help guys. Maybe see ya all in 3 years. But I doubt it. I really don’t have any ambitions to return here. But who knows.[/quote]Good luck. I recommend the following. The day after you arrive back home, go to your local TECO apply for a new visitors visa and see what happens. You might turn right around and be able to come back. You won’t know if you don’t ask. Stranger things have happened.
Not really good advice. Even with a visa issued in error he can still be put right back on a plane out of Taiwan when he tries to enter Taiwan.
Happened to a friend of my who was deported for the same reason and he now is told cannot come back until end of 2010.
Stopped in the airport, visa in passport cancelled, and put out on a plane to Hong Kong. A visa does not give right of entry.
Thanks for the info. No, I am all resolved about the whole thing now. Really don’t want to return within the 3 years if ever. Have been feeling pretty shitty about living in Taiwan lately anyway and I guess this is as good as any other excuse to go. I have met some great Taiwanese people but feel that in general there are more evil taiwanese than good. Met some really nasty sorts. It really is time to go. I have no love any more for Taiwan. It is a sad way to leave but it is good to leave. Yes, I am bitter about a few things. Maybe in a few years I will have a change of heart. But not Taipei. Somewhere else.