Hassled by the Cops -- ARC Issue

The other night, I’m sitting at the bar with my dog and a friend, drinking a $350 cocktail when the cops show up. Over my shoulder, I see the street suddenly light up, flashing red and blue, red and blue. It’s the cops. “Probably just making their rounds,” I think to myself.

Out of the corner of my eye, I see a few of them gathered around a guy smoking at the front door. “Was he stupid enough to be smoking something he shouldn’t?” I thought.

…No. A minute later, the guy comes in, followed by about 8 cops. We’re all told to get out our IDs.

OK – no problem. I put mine on the bar, and continue my conversation. The cops scan each person’s ID with their phone, 5-10 seconds later, they get it back. Then they get to me…

Next thing I know, I have 5 cops standing around me, scoping me out. “This isn’t good,” I think to myself as I feel my heart start to pound. “Excuse me sir,” asks one of them, “have you not been to work for the past few days?”

“No. I go to work every day.” I pull out my phone. “Here are some recent conversations I’ve had with my colleagues.” They seem unimpressed.

“OK sir, can you please step outside with us?”

“…”

So I hand my dog to my friend and walk outside. “Please talk to my boss – he can tell you that I haven’t missed work.” I call my boss – luckily he picked up (it was around 10:30pm) – and hand my phone to one of the cops while another asks me “Can you speak Chinese?”

“Yi dian dian.”

This other cop types into Google Translate “Our system shows that you haven’t been to work for the past three days.”

“I go to work every day – I work at 5 different schools.”

“OK – OK. Don’t worry,” the cop says just as the cop who’s talking to my boss hangs up the phone, “maybe there is some mistake. Let us check our system again.”

And the guy who was talking to my boss looks at his phone again, taps it twice and says “It’s OK.” And with that, all 8 of them pack up and leave in 4 police cars in literally 15-20 seconds, leaving me out on thee street scratching my head, wondering what fk just happened.

My boss calls me back, and I relay to him the story I just stated here…

Back at the bar, the bartender tells me “We’ve been here for 7 years and have never had anything like this happen. Our customers never fight or get too noisy. I hear that there is a problematic person down at the police station; this may be the reason this happened.”

Flash forward six days later, my boss is having all the other foreigners redo their ARCs mid-year so that they’re with one of the other schools he owns. This includes getting a police report, health check – the whole 9 yards.

I’m wondering – what funky sh-t could my boss be doing – or not doing – that may have caused my name to be on a list of people who aren’t going to their job? And why is he suddenly having everyone reapply for ARCs mid year? Should I be worried?

I am grateful for any insights. Thank you.

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Do the police have a system tracking when you’re at work? Why?

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What is wrong with you! Don’t talk to the police! Don’t answer questions! You have a right to silence in Taiwan.

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If you just have a work issued ARC, you can only work at the location written on the card. Saying you work at 5 schools was not wise, even if they are all the same boss. Hard to say how they found you though!

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I don’t know where this cynicism is coming from; I have only had good experiences with the police here anecdotally.

Nothing wrong with someone just trying to be compliant and easy to work with. Unless it becomes apparent there is some police-caused injustice here, why make their already hard jobs harder?

This 100%. Big problem not abiding by this if you don’t have an open work permit through JFRV/APRC. It has caused problems for many people over the years, from what I have heard.

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There’s no cynicism at all. Many police here are very friendly.

But! They’re not your friends, I don’t know these people and they can just as easily fuck you up.

Because you can potentially incriminate yourself or cause massive problems. The statement is anything you say can be and will be used against you, NOT FOR you.

Even you say something wrong and get yourself investigated, do you think you wanna deal with the hassle of paying for a lawyer to get the charges dropped? Sure, they can make mistakes, but you will deal with the consequences of their actions. They will go home and sleep at night. You might be in jail despite no wrongdoing.

You live in a democratic society, exercise your rights. It is not my job to aid in anyone’s investigation.

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Thanks – I didn’t know that… I’m pretty sure they didn’t understand me when I said I work at multiple schools, so… it’s ok.

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Yea what’s this about. Are people on ARC being tracked on a daily basis… maybe someone inadvertently reported you not showing up…

From what I am reading from OP, the police are not even blaming him for something he very well could be on the line for. They instead seemingly went after OP’s boss, and it doesn’t seem too bad at that. The boss is correcting the illegal action, and all seems resolved.

Now, imagine if OP was a belligerent dick to the police, who are in every right to sort out the illegality that was occuring. Not going to win any friends at best, and at worst OP could be given a hard time in response.

Why expose yourself to that risk and not just politely comply as long as everything the police are doing are in their scope of duty?

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Exercising your right to silence is not being a belligerent dick to the police. It’s simply exercising your rights. You can tell police respectfully that you’d like to stay silent. Being a dick about it is not a prerequisite.

There is no risk to keeping silent. I only act on the advice of my lawyer. You can’t benefit by talking. At most, status quo. There is only going down.

There is every risk by talking.

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Seeing how lackadaisical many managers are, I find this hard to believe. I think that someone has to report you not coming to work – not that they have to clock you in to some system on a daily basis.

I run a company here. There is no system for tracking foreigner attendance or I’d be having to report myself.

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Better Call Saul…

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I have my own lawyer here. I say this only to protect you. Don’t answer questions. There is no net benefit whatsoever.

Even at the end of the day you get all charges dropped, it’s an expensive procedure. It’s not worth the risk.

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Maybe some other teacher went to the police to complain about the school owner, or a competitor school tried to close them down. Somebody probably have it out for your boss and reported it to cause trouble I guess, sadly you got caught in the crossfire

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It is ok if we disagree, but I think good representation/candor carry more weight here than it does in Canada/US. I don’t think it’s wise to risk (sorry, local US saying here) making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Ironically it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy and spiral out into something that never would have gotten so big if one was (within reason of course!) compliant to start with.

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You can disagree all you want, but the facts are the facts. There’s no getting around it.

Taiwan is a democratic society. Taiwan has many of the same rights as the west. It has nothing to do with Canada or the US, it has everything to do with how to protect yourself as officers can also make mistakes.

A work permit issue can have the OP deported before they realise the mistake.

There’s no making a mountain out of a molehill here.

I’m sorry officer, with all due respect, I do not answer questions. Thank you.

Your job is not to be compliant and aid in investigations that could uncover something against you, or aid in wrongful charges against you.

I’m sorry officer, with all due respect, I cannot answer any questions. If you have any questions, you may direct them to my lawyer.

The police are not your friends. They are not your family. They have the power to cause significant damage to your life. They will not face any repercussions for that damage. You may even get convicted of a crime you did not commit. Because your statements and the average person’s inability to remember things correctly could get you convicted. Your statements will be used as evidence against you.

Watch the video.

If the police want to talk to me, I want guaranteed immunity.

No cynicism, I can just as easily distrust my own accounts.

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What this dude said is gold.

Probably rich too .

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Not rich. Far from it.

I have lawyers here. I have lawyers in Canada. I’m educated in protecting myself.

I’ve never lost a lawsuit in Taiwan.

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I vouch for that, the man knows this

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