Nice timeline collation paper here.
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A) Evil Chinese communists deliberately infected fellow Chinese in order to spread Covid and murderAmericans.
B) Donât wear masks or get vaccinations to prevent Covid- thatâll show rhem Chicoms.
Hi @Mick - which browser does this trick work with?
I tried with Firefox but at the step ctl+shift+P all I get is a new incognito bowser tab, so canât make progress.
Maybe something changed with browser? or some key step missed?
OK, so I realize itâs Chrome.
Making progress, but no âdisable debuggerâ??
F12 to open dev tools.
Top cog thing on the right hand pane
Preferences â Debugger â disable Javascript
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This scientist is unhappy with how the lab origin theory was buried.
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More reporting from the Telegraph:
UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after being told it might be true
THE TELEGRAPH
Sir Patrick Vallance among scientists behind paper that stifled debate into the origins of the virus
BySarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR and Ashley Rindsberg
23 November 2022 ⢠9:10pm
Sir Patrick Vallance helped publish a paper arguing that a natural spillover event caused the pandemic CREDIT: George Cracknell Wright/LNP/London News Pictures Ltd
Summary
Top scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance were warned that Covid-19 could have evolved in laboratory animals, but collaborated in a paper which shut down the lab leak theory, it has emerged.
The paper, âThe proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2,â published in Nature Medicine in March 2020, argued that a natural spillover event caused the pandemic, and was hugely instrumental in stifling debate into the origins of the virus.
But newly released emails from early 2020 show that in the weeks before publication the authors held lengthy discussions with experts, including Sir Patrick and Sir Jeremy Farrar, the head of the Wellcome Trust.
In those discussions, experts were advised that the unusual features seen in Covid-19 could have evolved in animals in a lab, as well as in the wild.
They were also warned that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out research on bat-coronaviruses at worrying levels of biosecurity.
Yet by the time the paper was published, all reference to biosecurity problems in Wuhan had been removed, and the authors argued that lab evolution of the virus was unlikely.
Questions have arisen around the drafting and formulation of the paper since its publication.
The lead author of the paper, Prof Kristian Andersen, of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, had earlier told colleagues that features of the virus looked as if theyâd been engineered in a lab.
However, no mention of this was made in the paper.
âImportant to stay open-mindedâ
Commenting on the new emails, which were released under Freedom of Information request, Dr Jeremy Farrar, the director of Wellcome, said: "It is important that we understand how all pathogens emerge so that we can prevent future pandemics.
âIn my view, the scientific evidence continues to point to SARS-CoV-2 crossing from animals to humans as the most likely scenario.
âHowever, as the efforts to gather evidence continue, it is important to stay open-minded and work together internationally to understand the emergence of Covid and variant strains â to end this pandemic and reduce the risks of future events.â
A Government Office for Science spokesperson said: âThe Government Chief Scientific Adviser ensures that policies and decisions are informed by the best scientific evidence.
âThe GCSA promotes full transparency and an open exchange of ideas and scientific opinion as the email exchange reflects.â
The emails were released following an FOI request from James Tobias, a freelance journalist.
More reason to believe scientists were trying not to upset China
In March 2020, just days before Britain entered its first Covid lockdown, an influential scientific paper was published in the journal Nature Medicine.
The paper, entitled âThe proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2â argued that the new deadly virus sweeping the globe was of natural origin, having jumped from animals to humans.
Covid had emerged just a few miles from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) where scientists had been collecting and manipulating bat coronaviruses, leading to widespread speculation that a deadly experiment could have leaked from a lab.
Yet after the research paper was published, serious probing into the lab theory effectively stopped.
Now new emails show that some of the authors had indeed suspected a laboratory leak, and had discussed it in the weeks before publication with leading scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance and Sir Jeremy Farrar.
In an email chain debating the original draft, one of the authors even admitted that the virus would look the same whether it had evolved naturally or in lab mice in a process known as âserial passagingâ.
In an email on February 8 2020, Dr Robert Garry, from the University of Sydney, pointed out that similar effects had been seen when bird flu had been passaged in laboratory chickens.
Yet by the time the paper was published the authors dismissed the possibility, concluding: âOur analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virusâ.
One of the reasons the authors gave in the paper for dropping the lab theory was that the Covid-19 contained sugars known as âo-glycansâ which help the immune system.
In the Nature Medicine paper they said it showed that the virus could not have been a lab creation.
However they failed to point out that if the virus had evolved in lab animals it would also contain o-glycans, a fact they had discussed in the emails.
In fact, in the emails Sir Patrick said that the âglycan pointâ could be used in the paper as âfurther weight against a passage originâ.
The original draft also pointed out that research to alter Sars-like bat coronaviruses had been taking place for many years in Wuhan at dangerous biosecurity levels - a fact that was later removed from the finished paper.
In one email exchange, Sir Jeremy even warned that research in Wuhan was like the âWild Westâ.
The email release will add more fuel to accusations that eminent scientists effectively publicly shut down investigations into a lab leak so as not to upset China, while believing privately it was possible.
Covid had emerged just a few miles from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) where scientists had been collecting and manipulating bat coronaviruses CREDIT: ROMAN PILIPEY/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
In the newly released email chain, Prof Ron Fouchier, a Dutch neurologist, warned that even investigating a lab leak could harm Chinese research.
âAn accusation that (Covid-19) might have been engineered and released into the environment by humans (accidental or intentional) would need to be supported by strong data, beyond reasonable doubt,â he warned.
âIt is good that this possibility was discussed in detail with a team of experts. However, further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from active duties and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular.â
Many scientists now agree that a lab leak is highly plausible, but most of the supporting evidence was found by hackers and rogue scientists who were branded conspiracy theorists for challenging the accepted narrative.
The latest email release shows that scientists who dismissed a lab leak accepted it was possible behind closed doors.
In an email on February 8 Prof Edward Holmes, one of the authors of the Nature Medicine paper, from the University of Sydney, acknowledged that many people believed the virus had leaked from the Wuhan lab.
He wrote: âEver since this outbreak started there have been suggestions that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, if only because of the coincidence of where the outbreak occurred and the location of the lab.
âI do a lot of work in China and I can tell you a lot of people there believe this and believe they are being lied to.â
Another on the same date from Prof Kristian Andersen, of Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, said it would be wrong to dismiss a lab leak âout of handâ.
He wrote: âPassage of Sars-live coronaviruses have been going on for several years and more specifically in Wuhan under BSL-2 conditions.â
BSL-2 laboratories are used to study moderate-risk infectious agents or toxins such as salmonella. Serious diseases should be handled in BSL-3 or 4 labs.
Evidence has shown that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) was importing bat coronaviruses from areas of China which hold the closest viruses to Covid-19.
Experts were also warned that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out research on bat-coronaviruses at worrying levels of biosecurity CREDIT: Barcroft Media/Getty Images Contributor
The institute had also applied for funding to manipulate viruses by inserting a furin cleavage site (FCS) which is what makes Covid-19 so infectious in humans.
A recent report by the US Senate Committee concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic was âmore likely than notâ the result of a laboratory accident, arguing that no candidate for an animal spillover had ever been found.
In the emails, Sir Jeremy said the purpose of discussions was to come to a consensus view and âlay down a respected statement to frame whatever debate goes on, before that debate gets out of hand with potentially hugely damaging ramifications.â
The results of the study were considered so perilous that it led the US government to put a moratorium on research to enhance the lethality of viruses.
The email chain also involved Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), an organisation which was funding research at the Wuhan lab.
To date the âProximal originâ paper has been accessed more than 5.7 million times and cited in 2,627 subsequent papers.
Guy
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âIn my view, the scientific evidence continues to point to SARS-CoV-2 crossing from animals to humans as the most likely scenario."
He knows exactly how that reads. Heâs covering his arse and at the same time suggesting that animals could only be involved if the virus evolved naturally outside the lab.
Of course it crossed from animals to humans.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
This is the original communication, and thatâs all it seemed to be . A brief review and letter issued by leading scientists. Didnât help clear up anything did it!
Since they were going on very little objective data not sure made them think they could publish this.
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Nature and other journals publish letters some times. Back in the day, thatâs how it was done
Yeah but they gave it a kind of stamp of âthis is what the establishmentâ thinks and ignored all issues with the institute by just mentioning one sentence about previous lab leaks.
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It was a fuck up, no doubt
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Too much circumstantial evidence points to deliberate release:
Motive: To fight the Trade War, Defeat the West
Years of preparation:
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Chinese PLA documents note that Bioweapons would be strategically important to China. Chinese military strongly believed WWIII would be fought with bio weapons
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China escalates âarcheologicalâ digs and âbat caveâ studies.
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China builds a virus lab right in the heart of the global supply chain in Wuhan (the mere existence of this lab in that location, is the smoking gun). The Virus Lab location would serve as an On/Off Switch for the global supply chain making it very easy for China to shut everything down without it being obviously considered an act of war. (It like if someone built a firework factory inside a hospital â you would be extremely worried about catastrophe)
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China rapidly builds island military bases on shoals in the South China Sea
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China began studying Coronavirus spike proteins that allowed easy infection of human lungs. The US became aware of what China was doing and immediately embedded itself to monitor the situation as closely as possible.
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China completely wipes out the male Uighur population in Xinjiang. Xi Jinping orders the construction of massive concentration camps housing 1 million or more Uighurs. Some speculate the camps are for brainwashing men into conscripts to fight for China. Others suggest China might have already been testing Viral outbreaks in controlled environments.
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Xi Jinping notified PLA to prepare for War. Xi then goes on to say this a few more times - expanding by saying âto fight, and win warsâ.
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For years China was collecting DNA from overseas for virus studies, at the same time looking for deep differentiators such as ancient Neanderthal DNA which could give the original Covid Strain a Han Chinese Genetic advantage.
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Cargo shipment of tons of Human Hair arrive in NY - itâs determined the hair is from Xinjiang region, likely Uighur prisoners.
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Upon release the CCP would have to work hard to keep the virus hush, by blocking doctors from talking about it and scrubbing social media by blocking key words about the virus. Itâs likely that the virus needed to be circulating uninterrupted for months before it could reach the tipping point of turning into a pandemic. As they saw with SARS1 or even Ebola, the virus could be countered when emergency personnel are deployed within a matter of days or weeks. By delaying the response time, it made it so that any medical response would be too late with the virus already circulating worldwide.
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Amid trade war escalation, Human Rights atrocities come to light in Xinjiang, drone videos of prisoners leaked, the term Genocide is Applied to the horrors that China is committing against ethnic minorities.
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China threatens the U.S. will âfeel painâ if they donât drop the tariffs
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Xi Jinping states âChina can endure more pain than the U.S.â Chinese State officials continue to escalate the threats with repeated âwarningsâ.
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China only signed the Phase 1 trade deal after it appeared Covid had a foothold and was going to become a pandemic
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China demanded an âunknown events and natural disasters clauseâ be added to Phase 1 (because China never intended to actually adhere to the deal)
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The Delayed Response was strategic to the Chinese hoarding global medical supplies and protective equipment. There was a massive world wide effort to drain the west of critical supplies.
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Early Chinese propaganda started by CCP state run channels beginning in Italy and spreading globally, even picked up by other reputable news channels
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Suddenly over the course of 2019 over 500 new Twitter accounts were opened by verified CCP officials - these accounts would become the first to spread Covid misinformation and a heavy narrative of anti-Asian hate and that any Anti-China news was racist - They claimed the Lab Leak theory was Racist.
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China refuses to give access to third party investigators - then China accuses the U.S. of releasing the virus deliberately. (This is another Huge red flag)
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Chinese officials and state media circulate the conspiracy that the US Fort Detrick deliberately released the virus on the world
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Simultaneously as virus was spreading, Xi Jinping was lobbing threats at the world including nuclear attack threats against Australia, Japan, and the famous threat to Sweden when China stated âfor our friends we have wine, and for our enemies we have shotgunsâ
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As time went on and Tariffs remained, Chinese threats escalated
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Covid marked the start of massive Taiwan ADIZ incursions by China
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US China relations are their lowest in decades - on the brink of war - Xi has continued to double down on invading Taiwan - Simulating a blockade of Taiwan with missile launches after Pelosiâs visit.
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Seems unlikely to me, your list is not convincing
My money remains on accidental lab leak
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I agree.
Just the typical Chinese chabuduo attitude, but now with the handling of dangerous viruses and then the face saving lies and deflections as to the true origins and culpability.
Pure Chinese culture on display.
Lie after lie and no acceptance of any responsibility.
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I think itâs fair enough to point a partial finger of blame at people in the west who chucked batlady money without due diligence.
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Abso-fucking-lutely! Iâd give your comment ten likes if I could. I think old man Fauci and all of his other cronies know way more than they have ever let on. Iâd really like to have access to all of their sent and received emails over the past 5 years, unredacted of course!
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Excellent point. Thanks for pointing out my punctuation error.
I didnât mean Chinese chabuduo mishandling of dangerous viruses since China has only recently exited the dark ages and started playing around with them.
What I meant to say exactly was,
âJust the typical Chinese chabuduo attitude, but now with the handling of dangerous viruses and then the face saving lies and deflections as to the true origins and culpability.â
