Given the relatively low wages, the penchant for designer goods, phones and the temptations of easy money, what is the prevalence of local women having sex for money on an ad hoc basis and thinking nothing of it?
BroonAle
[quote=āBroonAleā]Given the relatively low wages, the penchant for designer goods, phones and the temptations of easy money, what is the prevalence of local women having sex for money on an ad hoc basis and thinking nothing of it?
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I have been getting a lot more āNo DIY. Call Honey at 092827236354ā stickers on my scooter recently. Iām sure she just wants to help put up wallpaper or something.
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I have been getting a lot more āNo DIY. Call Honey at 092827236354ā stickers on my scooter recently. Iām sure she just wants to help put up wallpaper or something.[/quote]
Me too. But it does seem that there are fewer qualms about having sex for money here than other places I have lived in. many women seem to be able to make a disconnect between themselves and occasionally succumbing to the temptation of easy cash. I recently, as an experiment in determining socal mores, you understand, casually offered $3500 for a shag to a a girl I know, who happily took it, shagged me and then went back to her boyfriend a few hours later after which everyone met up for a drink with no discernible change in her demeanour. It was as if it was as normal as having a cup of tea. Originally I had said it as a joke and there is no way that she would ever come across as a hooker. Quite the opposite. But it seems that here, part-time prostitution is just a game for some girlsā¦are they in denial or is there a common attutudinal thread regarding the acceptability of shagging for cash?
Any thoughtsā¦?
BroonSociologist
That depends on your definition of prostitution. Many women are prostitutes on some level, even if they donāt always charge for it directly.
When I first arrived here in the 1980s, I was given to understand that a lot of college girls were willing to turn occasional tricks with select clients for a fairly hefty price ā perhaps just once or twice a month, but that was enough to cover their living expenses and a nice bit extra to play with. The figure generally bandied about was NT$9-12,0000 for a leisurely session with the girl.
Now that the Internet has made transacting such business so much easier, and in this more liberal social environment, Iām sure itās become even more common.
Personally, I donāt see too much wrong with it, provided itās all conducted in a dignified manner, with proper respect shown to the girl and precautions taken against STDs. Itās essentially not much different from a girl having a one-night stand with a guy she meets in a pub or disco.
When I was a somewhat cash-strapped student, I would have been only too willing to sell sexual services to suitably qualified female customers if thereād been any market demand that I could have tapped into.
I prefer the full-time prostitutes.
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Me too. But it does seem that there are fewer qualms about having sex for money here than other places I have lived in. many women seem to be able to make a disconnect between themselves and occasionally succumbing to the temptation of easy cash. I recently, as an experiment in determining socal mores, you understand, casually offered $3500 for a shag to a a girl I know, who happily took it, shagged me and then went back to her boyfriend a few hours later after which everyone met up for a drink with no discernible change in her demeanour. It was as if it was as normal as having a cup of tea. Originally I had said it as a joke and there is no way that she would ever come across as a hooker. Quite the opposite. But it seems that here, part-time prostitution is just a game for some girlsā¦are they in denial or is there a common attutudinal thread regarding the acceptability of shagging for cash?
Any thoughtsā¦?
BroonSociologist[/quote]
This is no secret to those familiar with the area.
Simply put the attitude toward sex between Americans/Westerns and Chinese/Easterners are:
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Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
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Easterners view sex as a business transaction. Nothing to do with love, attraction or emotion. You sleep with someone because you get a reward ($ or something of value) from it.
Thereās your confirmation.
Lsieh wrote:
[quote]1. Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
- Easterners view sex as a business transaction. Nothing to do with love, attraction or emotion. You sleep with someone because you get a reward ($ or something of value) from it.[/quote]
At itās surface this is a poorly informed blanket statement. At itās root it is racist crap.
[quote=āInterlocutorā]Lsieh wrote:
[quote]1. Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
- Easterners view sex as a business transaction. Nothing to do with love, attraction or emotion. You sleep with someone because you get a reward ($ or something of value) from it.[/quote]
At itās surface this is a poorly informed blanket statement. At itās root it is racist crap.[/quote]
On the surface, your view is reasonable. At itās root, is ignorance of the sexual attitudes and practices of the West and Far East.
Isieh wrote:
[quote]1. Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
- Easterners view sex as a business transaction. Nothing to do with love, attraction or emotion. You sleep with someone because you get a reward ($ or something of value) from it.[/quote]
I have done plenty of first-hand sexual research in both regions. There are Westerners (some) that have sex for money and other tangible and intangible benefits and there are Easterners (most) that have sex as a result of attraction, falling in love and other emotional touchy feely things as you would put it (not to mention having children). Your blanket statement states that Easterners have sex for pay (money or otherwise) and Westerners have sex for emotional gratitude. Your statement is ill-informed and rooted in bigotry, period, thereās no need to expound on it.
[quote=ālsiehā][quote=āInterlocutorā]Lsieh wrote:
[quote]1. Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
- Easterners view sex as a business transaction. Nothing to do with love, attraction or emotion. You sleep with someone because you get a reward ($ or something of value) from it.[/quote]
At itās surface this is a poorly informed blanket statement. At itās root it is racist crap.[/quote]
On the surface, your view is reasonable. At itās root, is ignorance of the sexual attitudes and practices of the West and Far East.[/quote]
Interlocuter: It is very easy, given the sensitivity of the topic, to be tempted to go down the politically correct route and bandy about accusations of racism, but if it is widely given that prevalence of part-time prostitution is more widespread here (and in the Far East - in Japan re: Geihas it is partially institutionalised), than in the West, then surely there is some room for generalisations to some degree, no? Otherwise one denies a discussion of what āisā and sacrifices the topic on the altar of political correctness, which is a shame as the issue is still there.
Isieh/lsieh may have a valid point which cannot be so easily be discounted. My own āhands-onā research has revealed a markedly different attitude and acceptance of PT hooking than in the West, where broaching the subject usually resulted in a good slapping, which is quite nice but thatās another storyā¦
BroonAttitude
To be fair, I would say that I overstated my position. Keep it to American and Chinese (exclude the other Far Eastern nations for the moment). The point remains the same.
Isiehās ideas only apply to the middle class in North America, and even then with great exceptions. Working class men still have a much more casual and no-nonsense approach to prostitution as do they powerful and wealthy.
[quote]1. Westerners view sex as an act of love, attraction, or some emotional touchy feeling thing. You sleep with someone because you like them.
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Yah, tell that to the 15-25 year olds.
Remember Heidi, the Hollywood madam? Now what would successful, rich, often good looking men be doing with prostitutes? Well, they canāt just go to a bar now can they. They also donāt want the hassles of paternity suits, psychos and so on. So for casual sex they pay for it.
College girls turning tricks for tuition is pretty prevalent over in the west too. At least they are here in Vancouver and I doubt we are unique in this regard. Street walkers, despite Modās assertions to the contrary in the other thread, are also pretty common. Even my 13 year old nephew would know where to go to look for one. Hey, maybe uncle Omni will pay!
Iām not saying there arenāt differences between eastern and western sexual values, but what there are, we are nowhere near close to defining them.
Yeah, but Mucha, thatās in Vancouver, where prostitution is legal. In most of the U.S. prostitution is illegal and not exactly in your face. You have to want to seek it out to find it. In Taiwan your nose gets rubbed in it, with all the āsexyā KTVs and barbershops and brothels on every street corner.
No, itās not.
BroonAle wrote:
By whom is it widely given? Probably by those who pay for it or those who suffer from the Western arrogance syndrome and whose assertions are therefore skewed, given the small scope of their experiences and the nature of their attitudes. If you can cite some studies or statistics to back this up it would be less provocative. I stand by my original assessment of these comments, they are sweeping generalizations based on prejudice. I am not saying there is no truth to any of it. I am saying that making such generalizations about something so unverifiable is denigrating to those who are painted in a poor light by them.
[quote=āBroonAleā]My own āhands-onā research has revealed a markedly different attitude and acceptance of PT hooking than in the West, where broaching the subject usually resulted in a good slapping, which is quite nice but thatās another storyā¦
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Youāve aroused my curiosity! (maybe the wrong selection of words).
How do you broach the subject without it resulting in a good slapping ? Has your research revealed insights into selection techniques that result in higher success rates 
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This is really simple using the average guyās experience in getting booty.
In North America, how does a guy get a girl to sleep with him? By making her like him. How does he do that? Lots of ways in which money is not one of the ways. Sure, money helps, but money alone does not guarantee woman of manās affections is going to sleep with him. You try to offer some girl cashola, watch for the hook. In North America, you still got to work pretty hard for booty and youāre not likely to get it at first, second and maybe even third try.
Contrast that with Taiwan and Chinese girls, women. You got the cash, flash they wealth and they come to you like moths to a light. Here, you got to work pretty hard not to be able to get booty.
Your other statements were naive but now youāve crossed the line into plain ignorance bordering hurtful stereotypes. What are you basing your experience on? Your time in clubs in Taiwan? Iām serious. Please tell us where you meet women.
Nor does it garantee it here.
Shouldnāt we have some kind of age requirement for this thread. No one still in high school allowed. Seriously, Isieh, I donāt mean to give you too hard a time cause you seem like a nice person, but you are woefully ignorant about your own culture (not to mention this one) if you believe the nonsense you are writing. Try reading a few books, talking to more people. Give Anna Nicole Simpson a call. 
For all those who think Taiwan is so unlike the west, hereās an article from the TT today about prostitution in Britain:
taipeitimes.com/News/world/a ā¦ 2003199901
Money quote:
[quote]More than 8,000 women are working as prostitutes in flats, saunas and massage parlors and via escort agencies in London, according to the first comprehensive study of the āoff-streetā sex trade in the British capital.
Superintendent Chris Bradford, head of operations for the London Metropolitan policeās clubs and vice unit, warned that the issue was widespread within Britain and across western Europe.
āWe have been telling people about this for an awfully long time,ā he said. āI would suggest every town in the UK has got a problem.ā
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Folks, just cause we donāt see things out in the open back home doesnāt mean they arenāt happening. I mean, how many funerals have you seen in your country compared to here in Taiwan? Did you conclude from this that people are dying at a higher rate?