Hundreds of Muslims riot in France after police shoot man

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Yes, this story is from the Daily Mail. This is a breaking story, it should be covered better in English speaking newspapers as details emerge. I

dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … l?ITO=1490

[quote]France fears widespread rioting as youths rampage after police shoot robber

Last updated at 12:14 AM on 18th July 2010

France was on riot alert yesterday after hundreds of Muslim youths went on the rampage in Grenoble.
Shots were fired at police and dozens of shops and cars were set on fire in the Alpine town.
Trams and buses were also held up by gangs brandishing baseball bats and bars, and a service station was looted.

The violence followed the fatal shooting of Karim Boudouda, a 27-year-old man involved in an attempted robbery at the Uriage-les-Bains casino, near Grenoble.
Locals accused armed officers of overreacting by gunning down Boudouda, allegedly as he tried to give himself up.

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The Daily Mail caption for this picture is Youths launch missile at police during the height of the rioting in Villeneuve

I think the worst part of this story for me is gangs of people with “baseball bats and bars” holding up trams and buses. I would feel so trapped and helpless in that situation.

I wonder what kind of reaction the public will have to this. It would be nice if moderate Muslims would come out and make a statement, and support identifying all of the rioters and putting them in jail.

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Reuters has further coverage of the the riots occurring after a thief robbing a casino was shot.

Violence in French city after police shooting
[i]"(Reuters) - Rioters burned cars, attacked a tramway and shot at police in the French city of Grenoble overnight in protest at the death of a local man fleeing police after allegedly holding up the city’s casino.

Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux was to travel to the southeastern city on Saturday to monitor events, his office said.

The violence began around midnight on Friday and lasted through the night in the poor suburban neighborhood of Villeneuve, home to the alleged robber.

Police said they intervened after local residents stopped a tramway by setting a fire on the rails and stoned it. Some 30 cars were burned and police said they were shot at once and returned fire. No casualties were reported.

The trouble followed a hold-up in a casino in nearby Uriage-les-Bains by two armed men in the early hours of Friday.

Police said the duo fled with 20,000-40,000 euros and were chased by police. Police said the suspects opened fire, wounding an officer, and one of the suspected robbers was killed in the ensuing shooting."[/i]…excert.

No mention of the shouts of allahu ackbar among the rioters…of course.
The article does mention the terrible rioting in the Mohammedan arrondisements(sp?) which have become virtual separate states. Police and fire responders come under constant attack in these when responding to calls.

[quote]During the 2005 riots, some 300 buildings and 10,000 cars were burned, while 130 police and rioters were hurt.

Since then, unrest has flared often after residents have run ins with the police.[/quote]

In France it seems that the ‘tipping point’ is very close.

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“Casino thief” That makes me think.

I am thinking why I originally called him a “boy” in my title, probably cuz I usually hear about “muslim youths” doing these things and “youths” = “boy” in my mind. one must be careful not to spin things. But this article http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20100716-thief-shot-dead-after-casino-robbery makes me think of more interesting names to call him.

police shoot “ex-con”
police shoot “casino robber”
police shoot “heavily armed robber”
police shoot “Karim Boudouda”
police shoot “Muslim”

“Police shoot boy” really sounds like I was to spin things. I hope our French posters can give me a clue what kinds of terms are being used for him in the French language articles, I would love to know.

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Come on guys, this doesn’t qualify as news as they have done this for the last 2 summers before. Unemployed welfare-enabled youths with nothing to do except feel sorry for themselves do stupid shit like this.

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yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.

I tried to find something from the IHT, but it is now the NY Times World Paper…so much for that one.

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The tipping point will not be pretty. How soon indeed before neo-fascist youths start torching mosques or attacking Muslims or people who look Middle Eastern? Does anyone really think this isn’t on the cards, whether it’s this year, next year or in a few years? I would be very, very impressed with the French if they managed to stop it from getting to a point of continued escalation.

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I saw two articles in French - one first referred to the man as a ‘braqueur’ (a ‘hold-up man’), the other first referred to him as a ‘jeune’ (a ‘youth’), and in the next sentence called him a ‘braqueur’ and stated he had been arrested three times for armed robbery.

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[quote=“TainanCowboy”]yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.[/quote]

TC, do we have a poster called froggy on the site? If not, in the interests of civil decency, please refrain from using derogatory concoctions of posters’ names or their identity.

and why don’t you translate the France evening news for us yourself, if you wish to share with us. Google translate is not too bad or too complicated, I am sure you could navigate your way to the toolbar.

Still the IHT where i read it.

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Not often that I agree with Okami, but I’ve got to do so here. It’s only incidental that they happen to be muslims. Disgruntled kids do this kind of stuff all over the world, generally sparked by feelings of being oppressed by The Man.

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju … ng-verdict

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju … o-protests

In some cases I can understand their anger and frustration, but clearly violence is just a form of recreation for many.

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[quote=“urodacus”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.[/quote]TC, do we have a poster called froggy on the site?[/quote]Urodacus - If you are unsure of who I am referring to in my comment perhaps you should conceal your ignorance by not making a comment. The person, who I recently welcomed back after his absence, is French and has done a bit of translating of other items published in French previously. As to the name ‘Froggy’, he is well aware that no insult is meant by it and on occasion refers to himself by the same name. Hold your tears of concern.[quote=“urodacus”]If not, in the interests of civil decency, please refrain from using derogatory concoctions of posters’ names or their identity.[/quote]See previous post.[quote=“urodacus”]and why don’t you translate the France evening news for us yourself, if you wish to share with us. Google translate is not too bad or too complicated, I am sure you could navigate your way to the toolbar.[/quote]No.

I checked the European Edition of the IHT, which is still based in Paris I believe, and found exactly what I said I found. It linked to a PDF version of the Euro-version of the New York Times.
If you have found different, please share it with us.

Further news from Grenoble:

It appears that the French Police were fired upon by the rioters. Rather unique for there. First with what were deemed handguns and later with automatic weapon fire. Amazingly there were no casualties.
Updates and additional information here:
Mayhem in France

Hot summer nights and all that.

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[quote=“urodacus”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.[/quote]

TC, do we have a poster called froggy on the site? If not, in the interests of civil decency, please refrain from using derogatory concoctions of posters’ names or their identity.[/quote]

That’s what happens when you listen to too much Rush Limbaugh! :slight_smile:

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[quote=“BigJohn”][quote=“urodacus”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.[/quote]

TC, do we have a poster called froggy on the site? If not, in the interests of civil decency, please refrain from using derogatory concoctions of posters’ names or their identity.[/quote]

That’s what happens when you listen to too much Rush Limbaugh! :slight_smile:[/quote]

Seriously, i only listen to Him when there’s no Glen Beck playing.

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Civil war is getting closer, it’s only a matter of time, I personally don’t give more than 10 years.

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Civil war? That’s a bit much, isn’t it? No matter how far gone you think it is in France, I don’t think the enemy has much of an economic or military power base yet. It would be extremely one-sided, even in ten years. Running clashes and tit-for-tat vandalism, murders, etc. between civilian groups are far more likely, with the authorities trying to keep a lid on things as best they could.

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[quote=“urodacus”][quote=“BigJohn”][quote=“urodacus”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]yes, interesting to see what the local French news has on this.
Maybe Froggy can do a translate from France-Soir for an update.[/quote]

TC, do we have a poster called froggy on the site? If not, in the interests of civil decency, please refrain from using derogatory concoctions of posters’ names or their identity.[/quote]

That’s what happens when you listen to too much Rush Limbaugh! :slight_smile:[/quote]

Seriously, i only listen to Him when there’s no Glen Beck playing.[/quote]

Have you given others similar warning when they’ve use that Frenchie nomenclature? Oh right, you haven’t. Ah, another display of moderating fairplay, especially when TC is involved. :laughing: :smiley:
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I was surprised that a news source would dare mentioning that the rioters are Muslim, in the French media they just call them youth…
I’ll post more tomorrow coz typing on that iphone’s a bitch :slight_smile:

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That’s our politically correct, even when they are 35 years old, they are still ‘‘youngsters’’. They pretend not to be racist by doing so, but they actually are, It’s just like before in the USA when some racists used to call an elderly black man a ‘‘boy’’.

I’m more like a right wing person, when I was still living in France, most of my friends were left wing persons, now when I come back to France, I’m surprised by their almost far right wing speech, some of them even talk about bringing the army to solve the problem and allow death sentence. Well, they finally wake up, but I can feel things are getting violent, people are now divided.

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Of course not, this kind of rioting has been common for the last decades in France (we could almost say since 1962).

The situation in the poor suburbs of big French cities is dramatic (very high levels of unemployment, social segregation, harsh political approaches, etc.) and it’s not new. Unrest is constant there, police forces are overwhelmed and overstressed with a growing level of violence, which regularly results into this kind of blunder, which eventually triggers such riots.

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Why is this a sign of the apocalypse but the violence associated with the Protestant marching season in N Ireland is not?

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Perhaps because the Protestant marching season in N. Ireland is an isolated event with relevance to a specific location (Ireland) while poor relations and violent clashes between European citizens and primarily Muslim immigrants is a continent wide phenomenon?