Ma Ying-jeou teams up with Annette Lu on a third ticket promising respect for all political viewpoints w.r.t. China and independence and an emphasis on moving forward in a practical sense without endangering anybody’s interests.
Is there any bad blood between Ma and Lu? They’d probably share some socialist agendas. Was Lu necessarily against the so-called, real-or-not, 1992 consensus of 2006?
There is nowhere for her to climb to within the DPP. She can’t win the nomination. As Ma’s running mate she could hold the limelight, and she fits the role of VP like a hand to a glove if you ask me. For Ma it is a chance at victory, pulling many disillusioned greens to his ballot square.
That’s not to say there isn’t room for a moderate ticket. But combining two “extremists” (in terms of how they’re perceived by their opponents) doesn’t give you a moderate ticket… it just gives you two extremists on the same ticket.
Ma + anyone with a pulse will still likely win in 2008.
No Taiwan will probably get treated to a James Soong redux 2008.
Wang Jyng Pyn is reportedly very upset about the stunt Ma pulled during his press conference. And if this doesnt get settled real quick, and it seems a difficult thing to do to give up on the ultimate prize for either of the two men, the loser may come out on an independent ticket.
Ma’s faithfuls have before hinted at this possibility at the same time that the buzz started circulating about a Wang/Lien ticket so it could get revived pretty soon if Ma feels hes getting shafted. By his fellow bluesters no less. Remeber all the ease with which the prosecution had access to his own office, where to look for all those small item receipts? And speculation about Lee Teng hui being friendly with the prosecutor on President Chen’s case and both concocting this case to go after Ma really, and Lee remaining tight with his former colleagues in the party?..
Its very revealing the way he made his announcement. If hes blaming the greens for his trouble and aiming his speech at them,-that he couldnt be brought down- he would not have have needed to rush with his candidacy at all. He had been holding off for months confident that he wouldnt be indicted. More like it was meant for his detractors in his own camp than anybody else. He is not going to get derailed in his presidential pursuit within his own party because of some ethics rules which may get exploited to push him out.
[quote=“dearpeter”]Ma Ying-jeou teams up with Annette Lu on a third ticket promising respect for all political viewpoints w.r.t. China and independence and an emphasis on moving forward in a practical sense without endangering anybody’s interests.
Is there any bad blood between Ma and Lu? They’d probably share some socialist agendas. Was Lu necessarily against the so-called, real-or-not, 1992 consensus of 2006?
There is nowhere for her to climb to within the DPP. She can’t win the nomination. As Ma’s running mate she could hold the limelight, and she fits the role of VP like a hand to a glove if you ask me. For Ma it is a chance at victory, pulling many disillusioned greens to his ballot square.
Could it happen?[/quote]
Since you changed the thread caption to ask this specific question, a few appropirate words are in order lest I shall be branded off topic.
No I dont think your scenario will work, not even hypothetically. Annette Lu wont settle for playing second fiddle again. I doubt were Ma to humble himself before woman power, which is just as unlikely, she would consider taking him on board as his running mate, fellow travellers that they may be. If Ma would settle for that, what would be stopping him from an alliance with Wang Jyng Pyn. You are talking about very egotistic persons here with irreconcilible views for how Taiwan should proceed. Even under CSB, Annette couldnt keep her trap shut long enough to suit her nominal boss. She always acts as if she has other plans.
Perhaps here is another potential third party/independent nominee here. Sometime ago, there have been reports that link her to Lee Teng hui in some sort of meeting that got played up as having significance towards the 2008 race.
No perhaps she wont get the DPP nomination however that wont be the end of her political career, however she may like to take it.
That would also be a very elitist ticket. I’m not sure how warmly the grassroots people and people in the South of Taiwan would react to a ticket consisting of two people with doctorates in Law from international institutions-- Ma (Harvard) and Tsai (LSE). I also think a Su-Tsai ticket would be too “legal” heavy.
Even though I generally despise the people around Yu Shy-kun (from previous government experience with one of his proteges), I think he has the strongest grassroots credentials, except maybe for Su (who despite being a lawyer can put on the “folksy” charm). Furthermore, Yu’s modest background makes him stand out from the other Hoklo candidates (who are millionaires many times over are they not?). I think Yu’s inclusion on any pan-green ticket in 2008 is important to ensure balance, especially if Wang Jin-pyng is the KMT nominee.
No, because Lu doesn’t bring anything to the table. She is too widely disliked. What little support she might attract for Ma, would be more than counterbalanced by the preexisting support for him that she’d chase away.
That’s because there’s no history of money, at least on my side. Of course, that’s why I didn’t run in 2004.[/quote]
Well that makes two of us. We’d bee pushing to raise applicaiton fees lol.
I only became elegible this year to run for Presidency. We could get the Tavern Captain to bank roll us perhaps? Or put out the hat around Forumosa hehehehe.
My ideal pairings for the presidential election would be Ma and Vincent Siew v. Su and Tsai Ing-wen. I think that would give the electorate a very good choice between two pairs of top-calibre candidates.
I haven’t seen anyone touting Siew as a potential partner for Ma, but I think he’d fit the bill perfectly. His economic expertise is evidently held in high regard by blues and greens alike, and his willingness to head A-bian’s panel of economic advisers and to quit the KMT because of its negative spoiling stance in the LY (even though he was second only to Lien in seniority within the KMT) demonstrates how much he places Taiwan’s interests above those of partisan politics. Moreover, Siew maintains excellent connections with important people in the US, Japan and China, as well as elsewhere, and could play an extremely valuable role as VP in promoting Taiwan’s interests internationally. He also happens to be a very nice man who worked his way to the top from humble beginnings, and is as squeaky clean as anyone involved in Taiwanese politics.
Especially if Lien and Wang manage to oust Ma from the pan-blue ticket and he decides to run as an independent, he couldn’t do better than to team up with Siew. If that were to happen, I reckon they’d have a pretty good chance of edging out whatever DPP or pan-green ticket they were up against, and I doubt if the Lien-Wang combo would draw even 10% of the vote.
Is there a link or thread on this bit? Very interesting. That was great of Siew then. If there’s one thing that really pisses me off about the blues is their fricking zero-sum political games. They are so callous w.r.t. the needs of the country (that over half of them don’t seem to believe in at all).
I like your suggestion. That would be a touch choice of good candidates.
I should correct one thing in my previous post: Siew didn’t resign from the KMT, but resigned from the vice-chairmanship and all other posts in the party.
Another point in his favour, of course, is that he’s a true sweet-potato Taiwanese, born and bred on this island - and, indeed, the country’s first Taiwan-born premier.
This Wiki page has a fairly sound bio of Siew (though they misnamed the CEPD, which he headed after serving as Minister of Economic Affairs, and omitted to mention that he also subsequently served as chairman of the Mainland Affairs Council): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Siew
[quote=“ac_dropout”]And what is wrong with the taro root and sweat potato/taro hybrids on the island?
Pandering to the racist elements on Taiwan.[/quote]
How to say this in English:
You are seeing ghosts in the height of the day.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]Why is being a sweat potato considered and asset on Taiwan? And why is bringing up this point not considered to be “racist” by western standards?
How to say this in English…stop hitting yourself in the mouth.[/quote]
Sweet ptotatoes: Are they born and grown from the soil the depend on? -What is really wrong with them? -They are good!!
The racist: Who, maybe not me, maybe not you, but someone somewhere, and probably not so much as you imagine.