If you could easily reacquire your citizenship, would you become a Taiwanese?

It’s mainly because many people either don’t know anything about it… or fed a lot of misinformation.

It is my duty as one of the few to let people know and spread the correct information.

Well, too late now. :sweat_smile: I don’t feel too many Taiwanese either, so it works either way.

I’m not understanding the question?

Incidentally, I would probably have been willing to naturalize in Germany if I’d stayed there long enough (because of Brexit) and I have cursorily looked into the requirements for getting Irish citizenship (my dad did it recently, because his dad is Irish).

But Taiwan, which happens to be by far the place I’ve lived the longest outside the UK… nah, just not very interested.

Not that I’m accusing you of it. But there is a somewhat superiority complex among some people who have that option. I.e. “I am better than Taiwanese.” etc… thus the longing to remain an outsider and not jump in the muddy pool.

I also know of one person who was claiming to be able to do it. But was actually FOS and in truth… couldn’t.

I get what you are saying. I didn’t naturalize because I felt Taiwanese. I wanted all the benefits of citizenship for my own selfish reasons lol

No APRC or JFRV back then. @foc can attest, life went on. People ran businesses or got employment and the FAP did not run around trying to remove foreigners married to ROC citizens who worked without a work permit. Dang some of them even came to my immigration consultancy to immigrate overseas. Some made it in their new country some did not and came back. I just wanted to to do everything in my own name and not someone else’s name.

Had a prominent forumosan come stay at my place a few months back. We went for a walk and breakfast in another village close by to mine. He noted how elderly people spoke to me in Tsou and Mandarin, and I was treated just like any other local in the village. You don’t lose your roots or identity from naturalizing. Or not. Makes no difference to how I am treated as an outsider living in the tribe.

You just get absorbed and assimilated.

I hear if you stare at your Taiwan passport for long enough… your eyes will begin to widen. Did that work for you? It made no difference for me.

Maybe I’ll try staring at my naturalisation certificate all day and see where that takes me.

It was written on some forums that if I ate enough rice and had my eyelids surgically altered that would help

By some of the same people now complaining of discrimination in Taiwan despite living here for centuries?

Judging by a lot of posts on this forum it seems the misplaced superiority complex is with those who have naturalized and not with those who haven’t.

LOL, I guess we’ll never find out.

Matters not. In the meantime we have EU citizens who have renounced in the last month for ROC citizenship. Some cannot resume. Life goes on.
Dual citizenship is not always the issue.

Not at all. Do I sometimes stir those up who come from countries that can’t resume? Absolutely. But I do so to raise awareness of the issue of dual nationality to actually help those who can’t and those who can but don’t know.

I could just remain quiet for selfish reasons but I choose not to.

Judge you may. I guess @comfy is just excited he can help others naturalize. Sort of a man on a mission, like @Mataiou is. Isn’t the petition his doing? Just like his many FSC adventures, some worked out some didn’t but at least he tried.

I never thought of starting a petition. I guess I am lazy. I’d rather just get on helping people through the process. A dual citizenship petition not in my purview. Good luck convincing the MOI to change their policy.

I’m one of the “agitators” that makes people eagerly sign. (I pay for it in my name but I do so to benefit strangers long term.)

Love how the same people who said to me 3 years ago with my FSC facebook complaints “I got a loan/credit card etc… under my wife’s name.” And… berated me for my campaign despite changing policies at some banks for the betterment of foreigners who have been here for 20 years and made no such changes…

Now many are complaining 3 years later… “I am divorced and now have no credit score and my ex wife took the house as it was under her name. etc…”

Big lols to them. Love how they now share the citizenship petition @Mataiou made around like some hot potato.

(But it takes someone who has not yet even qualified for an APRC to do what people who have been here for decades couldn’t do?)

Hell, I sympathize; I sympathize completely. Apathy is the solution. Let someone else solve your problems for you,

I mean, it’s easier to lose yourself in alcohol and drugs and soft middle age and post on forums with that woe is me foreigner outlook than it is to cope with life.

I got my nationality this year and I waiting for the citizenship. It was super easy because I don’t have to renuance and the Taiwanese government already have all the data. I hope everyone can have the same experience one day.

Yes some people are lucky they come from countries like Argentina where they cannot renounce. Japan also. Good luck to those who cannot renounce. Fortune smiles upon them.

I have no regrets about renouncing and only having ROC citizenship.
I wouldn’t have lived my life the way I did if I was going to worry about what people were going to say on forums. :smile: :smile:

You left out the ability to immigrate to China easily as a taiwanese citizen. That could be a benefit if you have a lot of business there. Us china relationship is not great now and as a taiwanese citizen you bypass all that bs.

Anyone know about Japan being not allowed to renounce? I met japanese green card holders in the us who will not naturalize because they said they can lose their japanese citizenship if they become us citizens.

Depends how willing they are to risk their Japanese citizenship. It is basically “don’t ask. don’t tell…” Just don’t present your US passport at immigration and Japanese immigration officers won’t ask how you lived abroad with no stamps or visa… (In fact… you could just use the egates now)

Also when traveling abroad feel free to present your foreign and Japanese passports to airlines at the airport to confirm you can fly to xx country. The airlines DGAF

Having to report tax isn’t the same as having to pay tax. For example US has worldwide taxation but you can take foreign tax credits. You still need to report tax though.

So you don’t earn much?

I know many who earn too much and have to pay taxes in America. The threshold isn’t that high and easily reached by many.

Who me? I don’t have US or TW citizenship and my country (Canada) is not worldwide taxation if you maintain non residency