[quote]CQ should be honest enough to come out and say that the only reason he doesn’t want Tigerman as sole IP moderator is because of his politics. Why bullshit around with this bogus claim of deleted posts?
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Couldn’t have put it better myself. What a bunch of hot air over nothing at all.
[color=red]Moderator’s Note: This topic is continued from [url=International Politics Forum Feedback (Part 1)
I’m just surprised no-one’s posted that cliched “Arguing over the Internet” picture yet. I would, but I think making an effort to find it and then post it just for this would be even sadder…
This one?
Tigerman,
My decision, and ultimate responsibility, for floundering that thread is mine and mine alone. If you harsh on someone for that decision it should be me, not Maoman.
[quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“The Magnificent Tigerman”]
Durins Bane admitted he was wrong to flounder the entire thread and Maoman was, IMO, completely wrong for floundering that thread. but what the fuck, its his site and he can do as he pleases.
But, Maoman’s errant act does not excuse your own hypocrisy.
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Tigerman,
My decision, and ultimate responsibility, for floundering that thread is mine and mine alone. If you harsh on someone for that decision it should be me, not Maoman.[/quote]
DB,
Nope.
I brought the thread back after you acknowledged that floundering it in its entirety was a mistake.
Maoman then floundered and locked the second thread and the original thread.
I hold Maoman responsible for that (for whatever good that does me :s ).
Do you have anything constructive or otherwise substantive to add?
[quote=“Alleycat”]This one?
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So everyone here on this site is retarded?
So what?
Right, I floundered it. I’ve got waaaay more valuable things to do with my time than sift through a thread sabotaged with stupidity. If you don’t like the way the forum is moderated, vote with your feet. Go to TaiwanHo. Or start your own website. But all this whining! Ai-yo! You know the nature of the beast, by now. Have you accomplished anything, changed anyone’s mind with all this complaining?
Do you have anything constructive or otherwise substantive to add?[/quote]
Not to crap like this, no. Mind you, anything constructive or substantial would be an improvement to basically this whole thread.
So, just flounder the entire thread, right? 
Hey, if it ain’t important to you, why even have an IP forum?
WTF? You say you don’t like insults, yet you have used them yourself and you permit some insults, but not others. I’ll complain if I want to. Or is disagreeing with you also against the rules? If you don’t like it, ban me. Its your site. You know the nature of the beast.
I don’t know if I’ve changed anyone’s mind. Is that the point of this? Is that the purpose?
Is that right?
Then please explain why you floundered the second thread that I brought back. That second thread contained my argument and had not been sabotaged by mofangongren’s stupidity.
I have responded to your inital argument, as it was phrased, with verifiable [true] facts, so it’s not me be who is being obtuse but rather you who is changing the argument.
Why I use names in the threads that I moved to the Feedback forum has been explained earlier, so why don’t you stop asking questions that have been answered already?
No hypocrisy, just you ignoring the responses made earlier and not reading things in context: I did not tell fred that he has no right to comment.
It was clearly phrased as a question and in reference to fred’s argument that he, fred, made about voting before (note the little word ‘then’, indicating such reference). I called him on that argument and hence asked him that question.
Further I asked the question as Rascal the poster, not as Rascal the moderator. But perhaps you don’t want to allow moderators to voice their opinion - that is something you should however address at the administration. Until then I reserve my right to participate in any discussion, including those in the IP forum.
“… and hence out of place in the IP forum.” That’s ‘Off-topic’ for you and yes, I consider(ed) it as a personal attack (mostly based on content, not on usage of my name in the title).
I am sorry if you consider your name in the thread title where you rant, give feedback etc. as insult or personal attack.
But isn’t it hypocritical that you actually did this first, and now you are the one who is complaining the loudest? Just asking …
Anyhow, given your repeated use of profanity and baseless accusations I will refrain from responding further to your “criticism”.
I believe I have tried hard to address the issues in a sensible manner, but unless you change your attitude I don’t think you deserve any further response from me.
Rascal
Moderator IP Forum
[quote=“Rascal”]I believe I have tried hard to address the issues in a sensible manner, but unless you change your attitude I don’t think you deserve any further response from me.
Rascal
Moderator IP Forum[/quote]
Moderator Rascal,
You still dodge questions… just as you do in debate in the IP Forum… 
Is that right? Then please explain why you floundered the second thread that I brought back. That second thread contained my argument and had not been sabotaged by mofangongren’s stupidity. [/quote]
You’re assuming that it was mogfangongren’s stupidity and not yours that got the thread floundered. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on that assumption.
So, just flounder the entire thread, right?[/quote]
Yup. I’m hoping you’ll realize that posts that don’t stay even vaguely closely to an international politics discussion stand a very good chance of being floundered. And if a thread is pages and pages long and some on-topic posts get tossed out with the rest of the crap, well, that’s too bad, but hardly a tragedy. Since it takes me far less energy to flounder an off-topic post than it does for you to create one, I’m guessing you’ll get tired of posting off-topic first. At least, that is my fervent hope.
What’s important to me is to maintain a semblance of order in the forums and in the threads. If and when posters lose self-restraint in their posting habits, mods are supposed to take action. Forumosa’s forums are not here for the convenience of one person, but for the benefit of many. My job is to make this website grow as best I know how. So far, despite what I’m sure you would consider substandard performance on my part, this website has grown considerably. 
If that ever changes, I’ll have to adjust my strategy.
WTF? You say you don’t like insults, yet you have used them yourself and you permit some insults, but not others. I’ll complain if I want to. Or is disagreeing with you also against the rules? If you don’t like it, ban me. Its your site. You know the nature of the beast.[/quote]
It’s a question of degree Tigerman. You should know that by now. If we were constained by absolutes in all of our actions, we would have to have a “Forumosan Constitution” and a full-time team of lawyers to examine every grievance of yours. The fact is, most posters here contnue posting day after day with no problems. Maybe the problem here isn’t with other posters or other moderators or the admin? Just a thought. As far as your complaining goes, it’s certainly not a bannable offence - it’s just tedious. Try to remember to post complaints in the Feedback forum and politics in the IP forum. It makes things easier for the mods. Thanks.
I don’t know if I’ve changed anyone’s mind. Is that the point of this? Is that the purpose?[/quote]
I asked you first. 
Is that right? Then please explain why you floundered the second thread that I brought back. That second thread contained my argument and had not been sabotaged by mofangongren’s stupidity. [/quote]
You’re assuming that it was mogfangongren’s stupidity and not yours that got the thread floundered. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on that assumption.[/quote]
Is that right?
Why don’t you explain then exactly what about my argument was stupid?
From your actions, you apparently didn’t understand the argument, as obvious as it was.
I’d appreciate an answer to this question.
I don’t really have the time or inclination, but to begin with, you were caught up in a war of words with Rascal. The topic was only vaguely related to International Politics, and was mostly becoming a mud-slinging fest, something I wanted to end quickly. If you want to engage in that kind of posting, start your own website.
You just stated that POSTS that go off topic might be floundered. You floundered the entire thread. Would you please make up your mind about your policy?
Please explain exactly what part of the second “RASCAL LIED RE WMD” thread was off-topic. Please explain to me why that thread was not relevant to the IP Forum.
You’re right. It isn’t, in the big picture, a tragedy. But its goddamned sloppy moderating.
You must not have read, or if you did, you obviously didn’t understand the argument. Most of the posts were ON TOPIC while a comparatively few were off-topic.
You still haven’t explained how either my posts or that entire thread were off topic.
At least half of the posters understood my argument. If my posts and or the thread were off-topic, I doubt that anyone would have understood what I was saying.
It really wasn’t that difficult to understand.
Are you Chinese?
What exactly was wrong with the “RASCAL LIED RE WMD” thread? You keep criticcizing that thread and my posts in particular. At least have the decency to explain your criticisms.
How is that in any way relevant to my complaint and or to your action floundering a valid argument related to IP?
No. I’ve not ever stated that your performance overall wth this site has been substandard. I have a few specific complaints. However, I have stated repeatedly that this is, overall, an excellent site. I still feel that way.
So, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about now. Do you?
Maybe it isn’t. But, I have shown inconsistencies and hypocrisies by the folks who I am arguing with… yourself included. All you have to say is that “maybe I’m the problem”. If you can explain why or how I’m the problem, with respect to my complaints, maybe I’ll agree that I am the problem. But, so far, you’ve shown me nothing.
Really? Let’s see, I spent considerable time preparing an argument that illustrates clearly why Rascal’s assertions that Bush lied in the IP Forum are flawed… and what do you do? You send the argument to the Flounder Forum. Now you want me to post in the appropriate forum… sorry, but, I’m confused as to which forums are appropriate for IP matters and which are not. I mean, Rascal states in the IP Forum that FS should not comment re an issue because FS hasn’t voted. I turn the same logic on Rascal and state that he shouldn’t comment on US foreign policy as he has never voted in an US election. Rascal flounders or flames my post… and that is OK by you. Right.
And if you think the title of my RASCAL thread was inappropriate or an attack, why then do you think it acceptable for Rascal to include my name in several of the new threads that he has started in Flounder, Flame and Feedback? I see inconsistency on your part and on Rascal’s part.
I already answered your question. I replied that I don’t know.
I guess you don’t read very carefully.
Sorry to disappoint you, Alley. But, Rascal is a hypocrite.[/quote]
And if he is, then what next TMT? What does that do for you, him and all the other IP posters? Maybe it’s true Rascal’s moderation is uneven as compared to yours in IP, but moderation styles do differ. I don’t see the point of your jihad. There’s something seemingly very personal about all of this and it’s not happy for anyone to see or deal.
It’d be helpful to know what result will make this all go away? Rascal going away? Forumosa admins/mods apologize for whatever wronged it may have done to you? Restore you to your moderator status?
Alot of time and energy is being spent on this topic and so much of it is really unproductive and ugly. 
Look, I mean if it takes you guys to get together personally over drinks, by all means, I’ll buy, name the bar and drinks. Bar tab is open for as long as it takes for you both to bury the hatchet. Please.
Sorry to disappoint you, Alley. But, Rascal is a hypocrite.[/quote]
And if he is, then what next TMT? What does that do for you, him and all the other IP posters? Maybe it’s true Rascal’s moderation is uneven as compared to yours in IP, but moderation styles do differ.[/quote]
I’ve no problem with differing styles of moderation. I just object to hypocrisy and double standards. Doesn’t everyone?