Is It Time to Allow the American South to just Sink in the Mud?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/14/lankford_it_is_time_to_rename_military_bases_named_after_confederate_generals.html

They might want to rename Fort Dix.

The past Speakers whose portraits will be removed at Pelosi’s direction served the Confederacy in roles ranging from enlisting in the army to high-ranking leadership positions.

Hunter was the Confederate secretary of state and later a senator for the Confederacy; Cobb served as president of the Confederacy’s provisional Congress; Orr served as a senator for the Confederacy; and Crisp served in the Confederate army.

Not sure I agree with that. They are part of history after all. I tend to think that this is different from putting up statues or naming bases, which is a public honour.

The memory hole is the whole point.

The Democrats are doing their best to erase all traces of their racist past. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it.

That’s why there’s no statues of George Thomas in Virginia.

Bet people don’t know Abe Lincoln was actually a Republican! Or that Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK!

You jest, but in a few years this will probably be true.

Didn’t know about Robert Byrd, but the parties did kind of a polar reversal around the turn of the 20th century. Before that, federal expansion was associated more with Republicans then Democrats.

Yeah- it’s a common talking point among right-wing types who want to pretend there was no switch in party identifications in the last century.

Juneteenth is now a NY State holiday.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/no-204-declaring-juneteenth-holiday-new-york-state-employees

WHEREAS, it is fitting that all New Yorkers join to commemorate such an important day in our nation’s history, as we take this opportunity to reflect upon and rejoice in the freedom and civil rights that we all share as Americans;

I’m glad that Cuomo and I finally have some common ground. :cowboy_hat_face:

Juneteenth should be a day when we sit back and say the good guys and the good ideas won the day.

It also really begs the question of why we don’t study/teach more about the Civil War in high school. We really should. Way too much time is spent on WW2.

They haven’t. I don’t need a portrait of Hitler in my house though either. Put it in a museum. Not the seat of government. Do you see what I’m getting at?

Seems like almost the same thing at this point. :sunglasses:

He’s buried about twenty minutes from my house.
Why not switch his name for one of the many military bases named after a racist looser? George Thomas was fucking badass:
George Henry Thomas (July 31, 1816 – March 28, 1870) was a United States Army officer and a Union general during the American Civil War, one of the principal commanders in the Western Theater.

Thomas served in the Mexican–American War and later chose to remain with the U.S. Army for the Civil War as a Southern Unionist, despite his heritage as a Virginian (whose home state would join the Confederate States of America). He won one of the first Union victories in the war, at Mill Springs in Kentucky, and served in important subordinate commands at Perryville and Stones River. His stout defense at the Battle of Chickamauga in 1863 saved the Union Army from being completely routed, earning him his most famous nickname, “the Rock of Chickamauga.” He followed soon after with a dramatic breakthrough on Missionary Ridge in the Battle of Chattanooga. In the Franklin–Nashville Campaign of 1864, he achieved one of the most decisive victories of the war, destroying the army of Confederate General John Bell Hood, his former student at West Point, at the Battle of Nashville.

Thomas had a successful record in the Civil War, but he failed to achieve the historical acclaim of some of his contemporaries, such as Ulysses S. Grant and William T. Sherman. He developed a reputation as a slow, deliberate general who shunned self-promotion and who turned down advancements in position when he did not think they were justified. After the war, he did not write memoirs to advance his legacy.

@MikeN1 wrote “Yeah- it’s a common talking point among right-wing types who want to pretend there was no switch in party identifications in the last century.”

Ah, thanks. I should probably stay out of the political forum :slight_smile:

I disagree. You should stick around. Facts are good.

There are enough examples in our history of ideological appropriation on all sides. I like learning about it. It shows how things evolved. Many pre-civil war southern business ideologies were taken up by northern industrial states after the war because they now served their interests. It’s what the CCP calls the chaos of democracy.

Thanks. Some kinds of facts are good. Being from the deep south, I learned some time ago to steer clear of politics and religion at the dinner table. My dad used to joke that, when he was a kid, they learned about the “War of Northern Aggression” from a book called “A History of the Civil War from the Southern Point of View.” Points of view run deep, and can be reinforced by symbols, so, yeah, I’d be OK with sandblasting Stone Mountain.

Whereabouts in the South if you don’t mind?

That’s kind of what I was talking about in the first post. My ex GF’s dad was always there with some positive Confederate fact…nurses tended both siiiides. dick

Southern kids are taught more, either at school, probably at school, and more at home about the CW. Northern kids not even enough.

A reboot seems in order.

I’m going to email our mayor in Troy and see if he’ll put in Gen Thomas’ name in the hat for one of those bases. Tell him he could contact Virginia. Thomas was a humble liberal Southern man who just happened to made for war. He didn’t want fame. He got his wish. I bet he could do more. :cowboy_hat_face:

I got nothing to do.