It seems that Beijing is revising history once again and perhaps laying the foundation for future claims. I can see it now. “Korea is a sacred part of China and any attempts to separate it from the motherland are doomed to failure”. “The terrorist tactics of Korean splittists must be crushed”. “The activities of the Korean independence extremists have hurt the feelings of the Chinese people”.
Dead link.
BTW, the loonies over at C-R were getting started on Okinawa’s historical links with the motherland. This sort of nonsense is good for us however. One they start laying claims to territory that’s more in the spotlight, the rest of world will start to see how hypocritical it is of them to describe the current powers as imperialist. Now that they have stirred the masses to a nationalist agenda, it’s going to hard for the Party to keep up.
I don’t think we’re the only country in the region who will need nuclear weapons to deter the lust of the masses for new territory. Time to start looking at that Japan/Korea/Taiwan security umbrella again?
Thanks hsiadogah. It`s been corrected.
At least the NK And SK can muster up the courage to stand under 1 flag during the olympics.
I always take with a grain of salt what White Asian Study academics precieve as issues in Asia.
I mean read the spin on the article, he’s trying to link a UN ruling about valued historical sites, and trying somehow to make a connection of discrediting the PRC effort in leading the negotiations over NK nuclear weapons program.
His a point of contention that SK is vocal about Japan and USA transgression, but silent on PRC passive relationship to an ancient kingdom that occupied Today’s PRC, NK, and SK.
The guy a fucken conservative loon.
How the hell does UN approved historical sites rank up there with
- USA calling NK evil on the world stage, undoing the work of the “Sunshine Policy”
- USA military personnel raping and killing SK civilians with impunity outside SK legal system
- USA dictated rules of engagement that increased NK and SK tensions.
- Japanese colonialization of Korea
- Japanese government refusial to official apologize for their WWII transgression and inability to correct their history books on recent modern history.
- Japanese comfort women.
I take exception to the fact that the author just happened to have the misfortune to be born white. I`ve read many articles that echoed what he wrote from Korean writers and academics. It may not be the most important issue in the world right now, but it is an issue nonetheless. Whether Scofield is a conservative loon or not is besides the point. This issue is central to Korean identity.
Heres a couple of links for you from a Korean perspective. Dont worry the writers are yellow, so that makes their opinions better than those cheese-eating, hairy white monkeys.
China`s Irresponsible Reaction
times.hankooki.com/Ipage/opinion … 454050.htm
History War With China
Taichungmafia,
The first link you provided is broken
The second link, I read and at least make more sense then the David Scofield article, because it doesn’t reek of historical hegmony leading to PRC conquering Korea hypothesis.
But let look at the facts. There is a sizable ethnic Korean population in PRC. The Koguryo kingdom exist within PRC boarders. China was very influencial to those ancient Korean kingdoms. It can be argued that modern Heilongjiang citizens and Koreans have a shared ethnic identity.
Just like it can be argued that modern Fujian people and Taiwanese have a shared ethnic identity.
AC:
You`ve discussed almost everything except Beijing rewriting history which is what all three articles are about.
Youve dismissed the first link. Fine, no point in debating the message if you dont trust the messenger. The third link reminded people that this is reminiscent of what Meiji Japan did to justify their annexation of the Korean peninsula.
Read the following headline in the August 11 Korea Times as well as the previous broken link called China`s Irresponsible Reaction in the editorial section.
Lawmakers Slam China For History Distortions
[quote=“Taichungmafia”]Is Korea Next?
[/quote]
Jawohl!
Heute Koguryo, dannach die Welt!
Taichungmafia,
No I’m serious I can’t get to the first link. A Korean 404 message comes up.
And I read the 3rd article you pointed to. Oh is that the only way Korea can come up with a non-partisan political response, the “China threat” as well.
The entire Asia Pacific complains about Japanese version of history in WWII, but no one is thinkig Japan is going to repeat WWII imperialism agian.
Before the UN ruling was China afraid Korea was going to take over Manchuria and Heilongjiang.
Look why don’t we wait a few years and see what acedemics in China came up with before we proclaim China is about to invade Korea. For all you know they could be acedemic proof that Koguryo was much closer to Imperial China than a tributary state.
Thats not entirely true, when I lived in China the govt often stated just that about Japan in its media mouthpieces. Its Chinas aggression towards Taiwan that gives many Koreans a reason to question Beijings motives.
I read a Korean message board and a recurring theme was that Korea did that once before in their history. The govt of South Korea wants a good relationship with Beijing, but it can no longer remain silent. The Chinese govt apparently hasnt found any new evidence, so then why would they suddenly change their version of history? I think Seoul has very good reason to protest this unilateral action by Beijing, dont you?
Korea was a Ching Dynasty tributary. So was Mongolia. Korea is protected by Japan and the U.S., but Mongolia only has Russia, if that. Plus there’s a handy railway, once they figure out a way around the problem of different gauge tracks. Recently China and Russia agreed not to change the status of Mongolia for twenty years. What does this tell you?
Hmm, maybe one day we’ll start reading that Hungary should be a part of the Motherland, since the Han and Hsiong-Nu Chinese have had such good historical relations, resulting in unification under the Yuan…
[quote=“commierobot_jing”]
Jawohl!
Heute Koguryo, dannach die Welt![/quote]
Nice role models you have. It figures.
Taichungmafia,
When I read or watch China mainstream news reports, they are actually quite balanced. Now if you read some editorial section, then it can get quite emotionally charged.
Most arguments against Japan in Chinese media usually goes like this.
“China was forced to joined the WTO and has allowed these foreigners to invest in our country for their economic gain. However, the leaders of these countries do not reciprocate any political good will towards us. Here is a list of transgression against the Chinese since the Opium War…yada yada.”
I have never read an article in the Chinese mainstream media that talks about invading Japan or Korea, without first being provoked.
I think I ran across an article the mentioned the Korean War, shortly after GW Bush announce NK as an axis of evil, but that’s to be expected as well.
I have read articles about taking military actions against Taiwan…but that’s old news.
I cannot speak for Koreans. But perhaps the TI supporters should stop alluding to the fact they are culturally similar to Koreans. It might make the Koreans feel less uncomfortable being dragged into the Strait Issue against their will. I mean at least it will not prevent Koreans from exporting their Soap Operas to the ROC.
The mainland press doesnt report the news it creates it. This is what separates mainland news from other news sources. Most newspapers report all the news impartially and then give their opinions in the editorial section. The PRC press often states that Tokyos expansionist plans are not over. This view is echoed by many Chinese.
So far all Beijing has done is change Koreas history on a website and used some hackers. They could easily reverse this position and their relationship could go back to normal. Well see what happens.
Taichungmafia,
atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FH13Dh02.html
[quote]TOKYO - Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd has won orders worth 20 billion yen (US$180.6 million) to build two power plants that will supply electricity to Chinese steelworks.
One of the plants will be built at a steelworks in Anshan, Liaoning Province, operated by Anshan Iron and Steel Group Corp, the second-largest steel maker in China.
Mitsubishi Heavy has also won orders to construct two power-generating turbines for a plant to be built at a steelworks in Jiangsu province, near Shanghai. [/quote]
What Chinese newspaper are you reading?
But I do see your point. Those dirty electricity providing Japanese are expanding from Anshan to Shanghai. What next? Beijing? We must stop them. :loco:
You’re right they could stop the NK conferences and everything would be back to neo-con normal.
But we’re talking about removing statements from a website. Do you know what those statements were exactly? I don’t.
Also those statements were not replaced with China owns Korea, were they?
Or has everyone lost their minds, since PRC has no statement, we’ll just make up statements for them?
That was a very nice economic article from a non-PRC newspaper, but totally unrelated to this thread :loco:
You stated previously that nobody believes Japan still has expansionist aims and I can tell you that the vast majority of PRChinese I`ve met think just that. The constant anti-Japanese editorializing in the press reinforces this myth.
This thread isn`t about the NK nuclear talks, is it?
The website completely eliminated Koguryo from Koreas history. It means that the ministry doesnt admit that Koguryo was a part of Korean history like it used to. This is why Koreans are rightfully upset. Imagine how angered Beijing would be if a Japanese govt website changed its view of Chinese history on Manchuria to imply that it was historically Japanese.
Taichungmafia,
That’s my point I was hoping you could point me to the mainstream article from a PRC publication, newspaper or periodical that states or implies Japan will invade or basically repeat WWII invasion within the next 10 years or so.
I know what the public sentiments are in the PRC, and they are a direct result of history. I don’t believe them to be instigated by the government “regulated” news sources as you claim.
[quote]The website completely eliminated Koguryo from Korea`s history. It means that the ministry doesn
Well, I guess well have to agree to disagree. Koreas public sentiments towards Japan are a direct result of history while Chinas are a mixture of history and constant anti-Japanese brainwashing. Beijing never says that Japan is going to invade other countries within 10 years, but theres an implication. This is a quote from a 2 year old edition of the Peoples Daily; “Japan`s unveiled miltary power causes worry”, or" Japan has become obsessed with swollen ambition to become a military and political power".
According to the Korea Times, before the change China recognized that Koguryo was Korean while the updated version no longer does.
I also read a Korean forum and many people are worried because this is what Meiji Japan did before it annexed Korea. They also think China has expanionist plans. I think Beijing could soothe a lot of this fear if it just explained its actions, dont you?
My point exactly, look how upset Asian countries are at Japan over this issue. Dont you think Seoul also has the same right to be angry with Beijing for denying Koreas history. At least Tokyo now recognizes that Koguryo is Korean.
Taichungmafia,
How so? Please elaborate. Both North and South Korea have animosity towards Japan do the colonial experience. It is just ironic ethnic Koreans in Japan are mostly pro-North Korea.
Once again you take the headlines out of context. The concern was that Japan was going to amend its anti-war and anti-nuclear constitution as a response to USA request for assistance in the Middle East.
Of course Asia was concerned, Japan was the aggressor in WWII, which was the reason it had a pacifist constitution in place under USA supervision.
Could not the Japanese assist the USA without amending their constitution was the issue, like in the first Gulf War?
The hypothetical of the possible Japanese aggression was secondary. And yes there were spins that it was really a Japanese conservative plot. But that was in the Japanese media as well.
I would understand this better if it was a Japanese website that did this.
But for the most part the PRC Chinese have been looking to expand into terror ties that were already specified in the ROC constitution. Like Tibet or Mongolia or Xinjiang. Or territories that were on lease, like HK and Macao.
Korea seems like stretching it. But that would be interesting. What if the ethnic Korean in PRC one day did claim Korea peninsula? Well that’s one way to end the tension.
If the Korean peninsula falls into total disarray, and the PRC is still stable. Why wouldn’t ethnic Korean in the PRC have the right to lay claim to the peninsula to ensure stability in the region.
All I meant was that the South Korean press doesn`t constantly demonize the Japanese as the PRC press does. As for Koreans in Japan, I heard the split was now about equal support for each Korea.
Actually that was one of the kinder quotes I read/heard when I lived in China.
Yes, but it was still there and thats why many Chinese believe Tokyo has expansionist plans. Unlike the majority of Chinese I met, the Japanese dont believe their country has goals to increase Japanese territory.
I see, its OK for Beijing to rewrite Koreas history, but not Tokyo. The additional problem is that Beijing isn`t doing anything to soothe Korean concerns.
Not everybody in Asia is as convinced of this as you are. I once saw a map of China in a Chinese school that included everything in the South China Sea. If you`re right then Beijing should clearly communicate why they did this to Koreans.
They dont think so. They think theyre being quite consistent in protesting Beijing and Tokyos historical revisionism. Dont you think Beijing could do more to allay Korean concerns?
Im not sure what youre insuating here. Do you mean that the Koreans of NE China are an independent nation or do you mean they should have the right to claim Korea on behalf of the PRC?