Somewhat confusing . The Bible seems pretty specific about it . I can’t find much mentioned about birth- control ? Seems a little ironic for an institution that survives on its absolute interpretations of the Bible , to now question its veracity .
Much respect for Dennis Prager.
Yes, Francis is a “Catholic.”
JP2 didn’t try to rewrite anything, though he personally didnt favor capital punishment. He led by example by making peace with the man who tried to kill him. Yes, capital punishment is permissible, but a Catholic is always being called to higher standards, or in JP2’s case, to sainthood.
Religious perspectives aside, how much power is one willing to give to the government?
Who gives a fuck? Until they stop protecting the child rapists it’s a non-issue.
What is the definition of Catholic, and who defines it?
Does a bear shit in the woods? (a bear, not the bear)
Catholics have always been interested in interpreting the Bible in a non-literalistic sense. From my perspective as a person of faith, the much better statement goes something like this: There needs to be a push-back against pernicious, rightward-leaning Christian fundamentalists in the US. I don’t know what the Pope believes and I don’t care. But the balance that he provides with respect to American Christian fundamentalism is probably very much needed.
St. Augustine of Hippo, The Literal Meaning of Genesis (circa AD 415- probably more relevant today than 1,600 years ago when he wrote it.)
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion [quoting 1 Tim 1:7].
I read like 3 or 4 or even 5 paragraphs of the article yesterday. I almost stop reading it from the beginning since it was moronic USA ultra right wing propaganda and I’m not interested in propaganda.
Have I said that the article is rubbish?
It’s funny that people who seem to pretend to be religious, of the Christian type (not sure about them pretending to be Catholic, most likely not), get so triggered and offended because the Pope talks against killing people.
Dammit I told you to stop following me on those morning hikes.
Be careful what you wish for: maybe one day during your daily walk in Daan park you’ll get ready to take a dump as usual, then turn around and notice that there’s no cow watching over you. On that day you’ll know how it feels to be alone in Daan park, taking a dump with no milky guardian being there to protect you.
I was being rhetoraphorical, sheesh.
Doxxing is not cool, bro. This is why I just take a dump while walking, wherever I happen to be grazing at the time. A moving target is harder to dox.
Yep. Not much happening here–the Pope can make such judgments. The Catechism is a set of rules that lie outside the content of the Bible.
Prager is a fascist. His argument doesn’t hold water. The Bible says we should kill people for all kinds of things but do we do that? No, because it doesn’t make any sense today. There are many other such laws that are disregarded as inapplicable to us today. The Catholic Church has always made such judgments, but that would even apply to Prager’s conservative Judaism for many laws. This is just a straight-up pro capital punishment political argument, nothing theological about it.
Just imagine for a second a guy in a bear costume taking a dump while an upright cow touches it udders…
The Ten Commandments for dummies (like the dummy who wrote that article):
https://www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/catholicism-and-the-ten-commandments/
- “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me.”
- “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”
- “Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.”
- “Honor thy father and mother.”
- “Thou shalt not kill.”
The better translation from the Hebrew would be “Thou shalt not murder” — a subtle distinction but an important one to the Church. Killing an innocent person is considered murder. Killing an unjust aggressor to preserve your own life is still killing, but it isn’t considered murder or immoral.
- “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
The sixth and ninth commandments honor human sexuality. This commandment forbids the actual, physical act of having immoral sexual activity, specifically adultery, which is sex with someone else’s spouse or a spouse cheating on their partner. This commandment also includes fornication, which is sex between unmarried people, prostitution, pornography, homosexual activity, masturbation, group sex, rape, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia. Hello @tando .
- “Thou shalt not steal.”
- “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
- “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.”
- “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.”
Never thought I’d play a role in some depraved Spaniard’s kinky fantasies, but I guess it’s not that surprising really.
Hey, I’m just saying that you guys should go and visualize what he’s saying.
You already did it for us, and presumably in much more vivid detail.
So basically the Catholic Church says that if you are in a situation in which your life is threatened such a war or being attacked by some mofo with a weapon and shouting “USA! USA!”, it’s alright to save your life by killing that asshole. But that doesn’t mean that if you are very angry because somebody has done something really bad you can go ahead and kill him.
Is this the kind of shit you guys discuss in the Trump thread?
In your imagination maybe yes.