Hi,
I would like to go to Taiwan, but I do not have a Bachelor’s degree.
Is any form of teaching out of the question without the Bachelor’s degree? I would like to follow the law of the land as much as possible. I don’t want to get into any situation where my employment is technically illegal, but the employer is turning a blind eye to it.
If a foreigner goes to Taiwan without a BA, are their chances of earning a living very slim?
Thanks!
YUp pretty much so. Unless you marry a local (still cant teach tho) . Or you have a two year degree with a teaching cert.
[quote=“MK2”]Hi,
Is any form of teaching out of the question without the Bachelor’s degree? I would like to follow the law of the land as much as possible. I don’t want to get into any situation where my employment is technically illegal, but the employer is turning a blind eye to it.
Thanks![/quote]
It’s not so much that the employer can turn a blind eye to it; you need the Bachelor’s degree to apply for a work permit. If you don’t have a work permit, you will be working illegally.
Many people get a degree online without actually earning one. The government does use a database to check out the school to make sure it is an accredited school. Using a diploma mill to manufacture a fake degree for such a school is probably illegal in the country where the school is located, but not necessarily in Taiwan.
To have TECO verify your degree, you have to go to an online degree database (like National Degree Clearinghouse) to verify it and send the result to TECO. They will then verify the degree and send you their stamp of approval. Only accredited degrees will appear on that database.
There’s a fee for that service…
Bollocks. Foreigners married to locals get open work permits. You only need the certificates to get a work based ARC.
Bollocks. Foreigners married to locals get open work permits. You only need the certificates to get a work based ARC.[/quote]
I understand that they still can NOT teach without a 4 year college degree or a 2 year with a teaching cert. Correct me if I am wrong.
Bollocks. Foreigners married to locals get open work permits. You only need the certificates to get a work based ARC.[/quote]
I understand that they still can NOT teach without a 4 year college degree or a 2 year with a teaching cert. Correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]
This is what I was also reading. Even if I had an ARC card, I could never teach due to lack of BA.
Bollocks. Foreigners married to locals get open work permits. You only need the certificates to get a work based ARC.[/quote]
I understand that they still can NOT teach without a 4 year college degree or a 2 year with a teaching cert. Correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]
OK then stand corrected Tommy, you are wrong.
There is no degree requirement for a private school. Many of the locals teaching English don’t have university degrees also. I know a few with no degrees also teaching at elementary schools, as they are part time teachers not full time.
You wont get an ARC without a degree being single for teaching.
Married you can, get here , get a wife.
good to know ! 
Don’t do it, Tommy…
Bollocks. Foreigners married to locals get open work permits. You only need the certificates to get a work based ARC.[/quote]
Depends who you ask. According to the MOE, you are still supposed to apply for a separate work permit for teaching.
MK2, I had a good friend (alas, now in Thailand), who tried for (illegal) teaching jobs and couldn’t get any because of his thick Italian accent. He scraped by by waiting tables in crappy restaurants, bartending, and hustling private classes. Eventually, he lied his way into a chef job at an upscale French restaurant. Now he’s working as a chef in Thailand, making five times what your average English teacher in Taiwan earns.
I don’t condone this, but there are other opportunities out there other than teaching. Bite the bullet and see what comes your way.
There must be something you are good at. Work with what you have. If you muck up, at least you gave it a try.
Apparently it also depends on who you ask in the MOE. Back in October of 2009, you said pretty much the same thing as in the quote above. [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 2#p1059882](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #5 by Joesox
You went on to write that the requirement had to do with “certain kinds of jobs needing appropriate certification regardless of immigration status.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 1#p1059991](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #11 by Joesox
Subsequently, you wrote that “whoever you ask in the MOE about this regulation (not law as such but regulation I believe), their stance is likely to be the same.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 1#p1060111](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #15 by Joesox
A few days later, my boss did me the favor of calling the MOE and asking them about the separate work requirement. My boss said that someone at MOE said that they didn’t require a special work permit, that my open work permit was enough. I posted about my boss’s conversation with the MOE in that same thread, beginning with “I’m not trying to refute anyone; I’m only relating what my boss related to me after she talked to people at the Ministry of Education and the Council of Labor Affairs.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 4#p1061554](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #22 by Charlie_Jack
The above ain’t against you, Joesox. I believe that you were informed of what you said you were informed of, but like a pretty good deal of other stuff around these parts, I have to say that I really don’t know what the situation is.
I do feel compelled to point out, though, that it would be on the order of dee-luxe, blue-ribbon governmental behavior if I became an illegal teacher the moment I got my open work permit (which is what may have occurred if the information you received from the MOE is correct).
There’s an old joke about one of my home state’s governors, who was not terribly bright, that he was once at a social gathering in which he pretended to recognize a young man who was present, going so far as to ask him, “How’s your father?” The young fellow replied, “He’s dead.” It was a large gathering, and the governor made his way through the crowds and around the room, came back to the same young man, and having forgotten he’d encountered him before, asked again, “How’s your father?” The young man replied, “He’s still dead.”
Around here, though, it’s not always foolish to double check to make sure old Dad didn’t come back to life. So maybe I’ll ask my boss to ask MOE again.
Apparently it also depends on who you ask in the MOE. Back in October of 2009, you said pretty much the same thing as in the quote above. [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 2#p1059882](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #5 by Joesox
You went on to write that the requirement had to do with “certain kinds of jobs needing appropriate certification regardless of immigration status.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 1#p1059991](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #11 by Joesox
Subsequently, you wrote that “whoever you ask in the MOE about this regulation (not law as such but regulation I believe), their stance is likely to be the same.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 1#p1060111](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #15 by Joesox
A few days later, my boss did me the favor of calling the MOE and asking them about the separate work requirement. My boss said that someone at MOE said that they didn’t require a special work permit, that my open work permit was enough. I posted about my boss’s conversation with the MOE in that same thread, beginning with “I’m not trying to refute anyone; I’m only relating what my boss related to me after she talked to people at the Ministry of Education and the Council of Labor Affairs.” [Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 4#p1061554](Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #22 by Charlie_Jack
The above ain’t against you, Joesox. I believe that you were informed of what you said you were informed of, but like a pretty good deal of other stuff around these parts, I have to say that I really don’t know what the situation is.[/quote]
Good memory, Charlie Jack. I’d forgotten that conversation. I do know a school owner who goes by the book (or should that be “one of the plurality of books”), and gets all of his teachers a work permit regardless of their marital / ARC status. But it sounds unlikely that a big deal would be made about this in any case - I certainly don’t remember hearing on Forumosa of anyone married to a local getting in trouble for teaching without a permit.
Why hasn’t anyone mentioned the best option – taking ROC citizenship?
Apparently it also depends on who you ask in the MOE. Back in October of 2009, you said pretty much the same thing as in the quote above. Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #5 by Joesox
You went on to write that the requirement had to do with “certain kinds of jobs needing appropriate certification regardless of immigration status.” Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #11 by Joesox
Subsequently, you wrote that “whoever you ask in the MOE about this regulation (not law as such but regulation I believe), their stance is likely to be the same.” Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #15 by Joesox
A few days later, my boss did me the favor of calling the MOE and asking them about the separate work requirement. My boss said that someone at MOE said that they didn’t require a special work permit, that my open work permit was enough. I posted about my boss’s conversation with the MOE in that same thread, beginning with “I’m not trying to refute anyone; I’m only relating what my boss related to me after she talked to people at the Ministry of Education and the Council of Labor Affairs.” Work rules for teachers, marriage APRC - #22 by Charlie_Jack
The above ain’t against you, Joesox. I believe that you were informed of what you said you were informed of, but like a pretty good deal of other stuff around these parts, I have to say that I really don’t know what the situation is.[/quote]
Good memory, Charlie Jack. I’d forgotten that conversation. I do know a school owner who goes by the book (or should that be “one of the plurality of books”), and gets all of his teachers a work permit regardless of their marital / ARC status. But it sounds unlikely that a big deal would be made about this in any case - I certainly don’t remember hearing on Forumosa of anyone married to a local getting in trouble for teaching without a permit.[/quote]
Well, you’ve partially persuaded me, Joesox, by making me paranoid. 
I don’t like being in situations that could get me in trouble. I’m goofy enough to get into those situations sometimes, but with rare exceptions, I don’t like it.
[quote=“ironlady”]Why hasn’t anyone mentioned the best option – taking ROC citizenship?
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I think there is fellow on here that did that. His name escapes me though.
[quote=“Funk500”][quote=“ironlady”]Why hasn’t anyone mentioned the best option – taking ROC citizenship?
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I think there is fellow on here that did that. His name escapes me though.[/quote]
I think it’s Duck Farm boy or something. He started off creating a duck farm then on to that ROC citizenship…
[quote=“Namahottie”][quote=“Funk500”][quote=“ironlady”]Why hasn’t anyone mentioned the best option – taking ROC citizenship?
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I think there is fellow on here that did that. His name escapes me though.[/quote]
I think it’s Duck Farm boy or something. He started off creating a duck farm then on to that ROC citizenship…[/quote]
Good money in duck farming…