Actually it is called sexual selection.
Sounds like you’re holding yourself back IMO. Just relax, forget about dating, and make friends. When someone really flips your switch, then you can worry about how to catch her.
[quote=“antarcticbeech”]After reading your post I have two thoughts (and probably not very helpful ones, I’m afraid).
Firstly, a question: Are you sure you’re not chasing girls way out of your league? [/quote]
Every straight single woman on the planet is available. It doesn’t matter if she is a ugly or hot. When I think of PUAs, and that sentence, it is laughable.
OP don’t let the negativity in this sentence get a hold of you.
I bet you had the same issue where you lived last.
Here are some tips from a guy who got “friendzoned” when I was your age.
Be a MAN!
Make sure your sh*t is squared away. : Good Job, nice place to stay, you are clean and presentable at all times.
Stay positive ALWAYS. : Never let your negative thoughts in your head beat you or leave your lips.
If you are interested in a girl and she “Freindzones” you, just walk away and never turn back.
Don’t just act confident BE confident. Know you have a lot to offer. You have a lot to offer right?
Don’t be shy. Shyness is a big sign for low self esteem.
The words of wisdom that I like, from the great philosopher Adam Carolla. “If it doesn’t make you money or make you happy, don’t do it.”
Sounds like you project insecurity to me. Women can sense that, often on a subconcious level, and not feel particularly attracted to you. Just relax, try to be confident and asseetive without being an asshole and remember that, as someone already said, there is no “game”, rather social interaction with people.
awwww, it is kind of cute to read guys cheering on another guy how to get laid.
But seriously, as a girl who was friend-zoned by Taiwanese guys here for a few years, my advice is: Internet. Eventually, I’ve met my Guy on heypersonals.com . Seem lame, but hey… I’m not into clubs and am super shy to just start talking to a stranger. This way you can see if you click with the person’s personality first.
Didn’t even use paid account, just left smart tips that made me googable on non-paid websites and my smart man did get them. And I think when it comes to online dating sites… it’s pretty obvious what are your intentions, so if you get friend-zoned is a clear no.
Good luck~ but honestly, if you’re a foreigner I think you will be hunted down sooner or later.
Online +1, people’s intentions are clearer in a way. You will be in or out within short notice
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You should have had some action by now, hit some sleazy clubs first to get your big swing back!
[quote=“headhonchoII”]
You should have had some action by now, hit some sleazy clubs first to get your big swing back![/quote]
You mean one of those places where picking up girls is akin to fishing with hand grenades?
[quote=“Novaspes”][quote=“headhonchoII”]
You should have had some action by now, hit some sleazy clubs first to get your big swing back![/quote]
You mean one of those places where picking up girls is akin to fishing with hand grenades?[/quote]
Thank you for that quote, it made my day… :roflmao:
[quote=“Novaspes”][quote=“headhonchoII”]
You should have had some action by now, hit some sleazy clubs first to get your big swing back![/quote]
You mean one of those places where picking up girls is akin to fishing with hand grenades?[/quote]
Yes yes yes. Everybody needs to keep the engine turning over.
[quote=“Novaspes”][quote=“headhonchoII”]
You should have had some action by now, hit some sleazy clubs first to get your big swing back![/quote]
You mean one of those places where picking up girls is akin to fishing with hand grenades?[/quote]
Ha Ha …very good. Do you have an address for one of these places ?.![]()
HOnestly why the fear of the friend zone? I had a very long term relationship where the very first year we didnt even hold hands. But we hung out 3 or 4 times a week !! We made it out of the friend zone into the fiance/fiancee zone and then …well thats another story.
With perseverance you can crack any nut ! Just dont BE a nut and hope you dont GET a nut .
[quote=“tommy525”]HOnestly why the fear of the friend zone? I had a very long term relationship where the very first year we didnt even hold hands. But we hung out 3 or 4 times a week !! We made it out of the friend zone into the fiance/fiancee zone and then …well thats another story.
With perseverance you can crack any nut ! Just dont BE a nut and hope you dont GET a nut .[/quote]
Back when I wad in college we used to call this “carp fishing” or “the carp technique”. Carps are fishes that you can’t just pull out of the water as soon as they bite, you need to work them and get them exhausted before actually reeling them in and netting them. I’ve seen it work a couple of times for guys who were going for girls definitely above their league.
Here is a tidbit that many fail to acknowledge. It is the 80-20 Pareto’s rule.
20% of the guys get 80% of the chicks. In the US, the 20% are usually the bad boys–treat the girls like crap but the girls keep begging for more kind of stuff.
No, nature is not fair.
The only way if you are an 80% guy but want to be the 20% guy is to keep improving yourself.
Learn to dance, cook, work out, learn the language to gab, earn more money to buy stuff, maybe move to another country or another environment, learn the mentalist stuff, etc.
As you improve yourself your confidence grows, and that is ultimately what the females are attracted to.
If you don’t improve and keep doing the same things, then you get the same results like friendzoned.
Also, Look for social gatherings where females are. It doesn’t help to hang out with guys.
And last, don’t be afraid of rejection. I don’t believe in chicks out of your league. I’ve seen far less guys get far better beauties.
Just remember beauty is skin deep. Usually the more beautiful the more problems.
I used to go for 9s , now i like 7s 
they are less problematic. (i think i still got a 9 anyways but i was willing to go 7s).
[quote=“tommy525”]Just remember beauty is skin deep. Usually the more beautiful the more problems.
I used to go for 9s , now I like 7s 
they are less problematic. (I think i still got a 9 anyways but I was willing to go 7s).[/quote]
It is not about what you go for.
It is about how you go for it.
Know what you want and go for it with confidence.
That is the biggest attraction.
This idea has already been articulated here, but I would say again that according to my previous experience, the best way to get friendzoned is being needy. I used to know a really ugly guy that acted so independently and he doesn’t really had any problems with getting a girlfriend. He just looked all like “What, I don’t give a flying F, I’m just hanging out here doing my business”. Girls were not attracted by him at first sight, but the longer they were around the more curious they became, like “Why doesn’t he ask me out?”
[quote=“tommy525”]Just remember beauty is skin deep. Usually the more beautiful the more problems.
I used to go for 9s , now I like 7s 
they are less problematic. (I think i still got a 9 anyways but I was willing to go 7s).[/quote]
The more beautiful the more entitled, you are correct. Unless the girl was raised by PROPER parents. Its all about raising the kids right.
Girls who live in Xinyi who I’ve met here are quite independent and don’t display any of that nasty entitlement the other girls from “poorer areas” seem to display.
And how to avoid being friend zoned, when getting a girls number go for a kiss. Even if she doesn’t give u one back she knows your not interested in hanging out “as friends”.
Simple as that. She will play tango or simply reject you.

[quote=“Taipei2013”]And how to avoid being friend zoned, when getting a girls number go for a kiss. Even if she doesn’t give u one back she knows your not interested in hanging out “as friends”.
Simple as that. She will play tango or simply reject you.[/quote]
That totally depends on where you meet the girl. That may work for someone you meet in a night club, but if you meet a girl at, say, a book store, that’s pretty inappropriate.