Yeah, she wants more than porn but almost exclusively sex. I think she said she didn’t envisage a lot of dialogue, but I’m envisaging a series of interviews (or voice-overs) with the lucky lady throughout the proceedings. Have to be careful not to take over her project. 
i can see it now… hamming it up for the camera, V signs being thrown around, lots of squealing…
Thanks Loretta. This probably will never get beyond the idea stage but it’s an interesting idea anyway. I’ve always thought, and am becoming even more convinced, that you should actually try to “do” something in a language class. Find some info, play a game, write a story, create “something” and with all the logistics involved, creating a film has always seemed like a brilliant idea. I’ve done a few with my students and if you really play the role of director and if they aren’t too fucking passive to move it can all become pretty good language practice. “No, the lights too bright, can you you move it back? Cords too short? Oops where’s the ex-ten-sion cord?” Yadda yadda yadda it goes on forever. It is really hard work if you ask me but has really been a lot of fun sometimes too. Really spontaneous stuff that plays off a general idea like acting out a scene from a film. They really seem to get a buzz off seeing it later too especially if you let it cool for a couple of weeks before showing it to them.
This thing of yours, with doing an online survey asking “what women want” and then giving it to them in an interview setting is brilliant. I can’t for the life of me understand why they would get a local guy for the male role if this is supposed to be a porno/english learning experience type of deal though. In fact I would have an interviewer and somebody, a woman or a blatantly flaming gay guy, whispering translations of the difficult material into the camera.
The thing that will kill this I guarantee you is that somebody is going to try and go for a really professional job with a story line and actual reherased dialogue and all of that. Somehwere along the line everybody will realize that nobody knows what they are doing and everybody will get pissed off and stomp off home with their heads spinning. Either that or she will just go for images that she thinks will appeal to women and you’ll wind up with tripe. Pornographic images seem to appeal to women just fine. It’s the lack of any sort of emotional connection behind the characters that disappoints I think.
That wasn’t porn, but a man in love and on an ego trip with his penis 
That wasn’t porn, but a man in love and on an ego trip with his penis [/quote]
ha… was his knob really that worthy of an ego trip?
That wasn’t porn, but a man in love and on an ego trip with his penis [/quote]
ha… was his knob really that worthy of an ego trip?[/quote]
He has something to work with 
:bravo: 
I wouldn’t have complained but nevertheless, the whole time he was shooting the video, it was either on his penis or that chick he was banging, who eventually tried to make money off it. Okay, that’s off topic.
On topic. Loretta, it sounds like your student would be better off making a music video/porn movie if she just wants sex. Some good music, with good direction and editing could really make it a sensual/erotic video for women.
I haven’t read all 15 pages of this, but here’s my thinking. Has anyone seen the Penguin movie? I think it’s The March of the Penguins. There’s some trully emotional, almost erotic, footage there, and it’s PENGUINS! It’s all about camera angel. And I watched it in Chinese with Chinese sub titles, so I know it’s not just script. The penguins look like they’re in LOVE, and that’s the point.
Camera Angel? Now that sounds like you have come up with the star’s name at least!
I want this for my signature. 
I apologize if someone’s already said this…
There are already some really good porn movies that seem to cater more to women’s idea of porn, but they’re not called porn. They’re regular movies with erotic mood and some raw sex scenes in them. (i can’t think of a name right now, but an example is that British movie with Heather Graham and whatshisname who played Shakespeare in Shaksp In Love. )
The most important ingredient missing from regular porn, and the reason why i couldn’t be bothered to watch it, is that all-important sense of chemistry, tension, passion, mood, or whatever you want to call it. That’s why some of non-porn movies, with porn elements in it, are a lot more appealing to me. I’m not at all saying take out the raw sex scenes, but find a way to build up passion towards those scenes. Telling a story is not enough to achieve this, you also need to create a mood, have good actors that can express their passion, etc.
Now, I haven’t read the whole thread, but I think it’s a serious question, right? It’s not one of those spoof threads, I hope? If it is, then I’ve just embarrassed myself. Oh, well…
well… depends on your definition of spoof i suppose… 
Don’t think yanks get that one AWOL. Sort of like yank blokes called Randy. I swear I almost came to blows when some yank earnestly introduced himself with “Hi, I’m Randy.” I was convinced he was taking the piss.
HG
[quote] [quote=“tash”]I apologize if someone’s already said this…
There are already some really good porn movies that seem to cater more to women’s idea of porn, but they’re not called porn. They’re regular movies with erotic mood and some raw sex scenes in them. (I can’t think of a name right now, but an example is that British movie with Heather Graham and whatshisname who played Shakespeare in Shaksp In Love. )
The most important ingredient missing from regular porn, and the reason why I couldn’t be bothered to watch it, is that all-important sense of chemistry, tension, passion, mood, or whatever you want to call it. That’s why some of non-porn movies, with porn elements in it, are a lot more appealing to me. I’m not at all saying take out the raw sex scenes, but find a way to build up passion towards those scenes. Telling a story is not enough to achieve this, you also need to create a mood, have good actors that can express their passion, etc.
Now, I haven’t read the whole thread, but I think it’s a serious question, right? It’s not one of those spoof threads, I hope? If it is, then I’ve just embarrassed myself. Oh, well…[/quote] [/quote]
I’m right there with you. I mean like those Japanese pornos where they do the interview and set a story…I like those
Precisely.
I can’t claim to be any sort of expert on porn but I did see a bit when they used to have it on television here and when we stayed at the hotel in Taichung there seemed to be nothing but porn so saw a bit there too.
There was one that had an honestly eager young lady and a guy that she really seemed to like. There was a bit of convo about whatever Japanese people talk about in such situations at the beginning and then they just set about to having an honest to goodness nice screw by the look of things. Not a lot of phony grunting and groaning or any of that other squeaky stuff that Japanese girls are prone to either. There seemed to be real warmth between them and when all the different positions had been attended to and the grand finale accomplished and all that they had a nice big hug and chatted a little and that was it. There were lighting people in the room and a couple of assistant this or that and the whole lot of them chatted away amicably enough the whole time. Totally lovely to watch. It didn’t seem dirty or mean spirited or forced in any way whatsoever.
Basically what it amounts to Loretta is that you can either:
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Be seriously talented enough to write a script and get actors to act, convincingly, according to whatever effect is intended by the script.
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Set some dynamic, witty, attractive people down in an interesting situation and film what they do. (The editing that comes after this is laborious as hell but the effect can, of course, still be entertaining as hell too. People can be fascinating things.) What we are talking about here could so easily be precisely the sort of amazing situation that gives people the spark that looks so good on film. Just let people be themselves and see what happens.
How bout this…
Probably a lot of women fantasize about doing it with their English teacher. Why not just come out and say that you are making, lets call it erotica, or an instructional video! that introduces the vocab related to sex. Set two people to whatever playful thing they want to do and have a translator/ english teacher type to explain what is happening. Make it funny. Women like funny.
P.S. Hope I am not boring you all here. I love even the idea of making films.
Precisely what?
Really?
I mean… REALLY??? 
Surely women fantasize about doing it with movie stars, singers, doctors, pilots, stewardesses, hot presidents, football stars, etc.
Enrish teachers?! Are you sure?!
Tash wrote:
“Pilots,”
Oh cool. I’m in with a chance then.
Tash wrote:
“Pilots,”
Dangermouse eagerly wrote: [quote]Oh cool. I’m in with a chance then.[/quote]
Yeah, ok. But stewardesses are way more hot, if you must know.
Did you even read my post tash? I was agreeing with you. And besides Engrish teachers might not be your cup of tea but I can tell you a lot of English students sure as hell fantasize about having an English teacher worth fantasizing over. Not a speck of doubt about that.
Yeah, Tash, that’s why I’m looking at passenger airline jobs. You think I don’t have an ulterior motive?
bob wrote:
That’s why I was so confused, bob. You say you agree with me, but I’m talking about creating a convincing situation filled with mood and passion.
Now, how on earth can this be achieved if the setting is a bland buxiban classroom lit with industrial flourescent lighting filled with disinterested, deadtired Taiwanese students and the teacher is wearing sandals and a backpack.