Again, I think that’s a valid critique but the right wing has the blinders on to the fact that they too are engaging in identity politics and any honest discussion starts with them acknowledging that.
What a refreshing article to read. Very rational and pragmatic break down of current politics. I agree with most of what they had to say really.
Socialism is great within say the family unit. Or even among friends. But I just don’t believe something like that should ever be implemented by the government on a large scale. It’s easy to be fair and have equality with your family and friends. But with millions of people who are very different from you. I don’t think it can work, and certainly not if the government is the one implementing it.
Do you think people on the right are generally ok with ethno nationalist politics?
I’d prefer to avoid having discussions involving ‘right’ and ‘left’ because we have very different ideas of what that means, and then we are reinforcing the groups that we are supposed to be avoiding.
I’d prefer to have discussions about the ideas themselves.
Fair enough. Is ethno nationalist politics dangerous? Yes. Very. I don’t agree with it, and I openly condemn idiots like neo nazis. But imo, groups like antifa are exactly like neo nazis and I don’t see the wide spread condemnation of them from people who would general lean to the left.
I think ethno nationalism is the same thing as minority politics. They mirror each other. How they work is the same, and are both equally dangerous.
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Yes.
I think where we might differ is I believe Trumpism is steeped in the same identity politics as the the ‘diversity cult’ types on the far left.
There’s a lot of smug critics of the left’s identity politics that seem to go out of their way to overlook that an entire election was won on them a couple years ago.
I agree with Ms. Dalmia’s conclusions–that civic unity requires both groups to see past their own identity politics fetish and unite for the sake of the country. The theme of the left ‘making up’ identity politics issues as if they ethno nationalist right doesn’t exists is tired and false. Being on the in group and gloating about winning an election doesn’t make the US better, it’s almost as if the end game for some is winning a politics themed sports match.
How Would you define trumpism?
Do I think neo nazis supported trump? Yes. Probably as the lesser of two evils. I’m not ignorant of that. But you can find they openly criticizes him as well. They call him a puppet Zionist, a Jew lover, tyrant, they hate his gun policies since Trump has done more to regulate gun rights than Obama, etc.
I follow extreme right and extreme left groups to see what they are up to. Which is one of the reasons I strongly disagree with censorship of either side. But the extreme right hate trump. They hate him.
I don’t believe trumps ideology aligns very much with the far right nor do his ideas really feed into them. If you really looked at what neo nazis, white nationalist believe. They are way different and down right opposite of what trump is doing.
No they were won on a false narrative of Russian Government and Trump collusion that Mueller knew at least a year before he was shut down never happened.
the neocons hate trump. despise him.
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That’s a fair question.
Maybe I should use the term MAGAists instead because I don’t think Trump himself is white nationalist, but as BD above pointed out ethno nationalist identity politics put him in the White House. I also like shifting the responsibility away from him and onto the segment of his base that continuously engage in identity politics of Christian ethno-nationalist type, as they are the ones ultimately responsible.
What’s an appropriate term we can agree on to describe the ethno-nationalist faction of the US that makes up Trump’s base?
If only they’d despised him a little more vocally when it mattered…
some sort of identity politics will also help the winner past the finish line
obama
bush 2
clinton
etc etc
identity politics forms the base of a political spectrum. it’s how offensive that identity politics is that can ruin a party. For Dems, it’s helping the party implode now
Ethno nationalists. White nationalist. Neo nazis.
I honestly think If they did support trump. It’s because they see him the lesser of two evils. If you really dug into these groups. And I follow a few of them to see what they’re thinking and saying. They hate trump. Probably even more than the left depending on the group. Maybe they agree mostly with being harder on illegal immigration. But nothing else really aligns.
I also don’t believe those group put in on top. The working class did. He was the only one to speak to them about jobs and illegal immigration.
they despised him all over the internet and on tv all the way leading up to 2016 election and the aftermath. they are all CNN commentators now. all the ex-alphabet losers
You @Andrew0409 at least understand what a "Ethno nationalists. White nationalist. Neo nazis."is, unfortunately for @anon96115109, that’s anyone who votes Republican and them some for wrongthink lefties.
Right, and Trump supporters and the GOP know this is their achilles heel and will keep pinning the identity politics label to them as loudly and often as they can, while denying they themselves are engaged in it, just on the ethno nationalist side of it.
Which part of trumps politics can you say engages with ethno nationalism?
Again, that’s not how I think and you repeating it 1000 times doesn’t make it truer. I don’t believe that. If you’re trying to have an honest discussion stop doing that.
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Ethno nationalism/White Christian nationalism is far bigger umbrella than Neo Nazis. Neo Nazis and Neo Confederates are a small fraction of the Trump supporting population. Ethno nationalism is the main theme of Trump supporters, and the only consistent one. It’s 24/7 identity politics/group think. Just they won’t admit it, while accusing the ‘far left’ of these things. They’re just as guilty.
These people hate trump. He a Jew loving Zionist gun grabbing tyrannical race traitor to them.
urmm, when it’s called out on the right, it’s denounced, it’s never fast enough or sincere enough and has to be done many times over. But it’s done.
On the left, I gave you an example recently where the media ignore it,
Extremist violence being called out is a principle, you do it no matter which side it comes from.