Metrosexuality
Real men get waxed
A new male market emerges
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This has all the hallmarks of an ad campaign to me.
Metrosexuals is the way these companies are attempting to give homosexuals a way to cover up their tendencies while reveling in their “cosmopolitan” natures. Oh yeah, good heavens isn’t that that popular Martini that so many in the gay set like to drink? Now how do you suppose that was named? Gosh, Golly, Gee and it’s kind of pink too isn’t it?
What next “cosmosexuals?” 
[quote=“fred smith”]This has all the hallmarks of an ad campaign to me.
Metrosexuals is the way these companies are attempting to give homosexuals a way to cover up their tendencies while reveling in their “cosmopolitan” natures. Oh yeah, good heavens isn’t that that popular Martini that so many in the gay set like to drink? Now how do you suppose that was named? Gosh, Golly, Gee and it’s kind of pink too isn’t it?
What next “cosmosexuals?” [/quote]
Fortunately, we need no new term for you: bigot.
[quote=“Soddom”][quote=“fred smith”]This has all the hallmarks of an ad campaign to me.
Metrosexuals is the way these companies are attempting to give homosexuals a way to cover up their tendencies while reveling in their “cosmopolitan” natures. Oh yeah, good heavens isn’t that that popular Martini that so many in the gay set like to drink? Now how do you suppose that was named? Gosh, Golly, Gee and it’s kind of pink too isn’t it?
What next “cosmosexuals?” [/quote]
Fortunately, we need no new term for you: bigot.[/quote]
Don’t worry Soddom, I don’t care if you wear a pink thong. 
I don’t get it; what’s the connection to sexuality?
And, do they think guys are doing this on their own?
Soddom:
Don’t be so sensitive. I am not knocking gays. I am knocking the obvious manipulation through advertising of a market segment. Why some of my best friends are in fact gay (just kidding with this remark the old bigot’s line).
This is also used with advertising for women who get off on empowerment. “You’ve come a long way baby” so smoke Virginia Slims get lung cancer and die like men. Equal opportunity.
Everyone is affected to some degree by advertising. The new generation by being “different” so the ads are never about products but about attaining free and interesting lifestyles through product purchase. See VW and Fanta for the best examples.
That’s all. Friends? Soddom?
Closet queen! 
WTF are you talking about? It’s got nothing to do with gays or sexuality per se.
It’s about heterosexual men taking more care over their appearance - something traditionally associated with gay men. Sure marketing companies will exploit this, but I don’t see why you say “it gives homosexuals a way to cover up their ‘tendencies’” I can only wince at what you imagine those “tendencies” are. How does make up cover up (hide?) being gay anyway?
Perhaps it is you who has something to hide, Fred? Chill out and suck on a pink gin.
Men are becoming wusses.
Men’s Magazines? Absolutely crap articles like “Ten ways to drive your poodle wild,” “2-week bicep buster plan,” and “Spring lycra collection.”
Beauty products for men?? Vanity is bullshit, whether we’re talking about males or females.
Where are the guys with beards??
About 10 years ago I was traveling with some insurgents in Burma. I thought I was pretty damn tough. One day I was down by a river, and when the soldiers saw me washing my hair, they broke out laughing.
“What the %#@ are you #@% $%#@ %^& about?” enquires the Almas.
“Hah. Only women wash their hair with shampoo!!”
And they had a bloody good point. Nothing wrong with a bar of soap.
First of all this is a press release not a true news story. It was submitted by whatever ad agency Marian Salzmann works for and she probably wrote it. I do these for a living. I have seen them before.
(Sorry this should be hypothetical) Let’s say I work in an ad/pr agency for cosmetics companies. Sales in the male category are not as high as they could be. We find in panel discussions that there are barriers to men buying products because they don’t want to come off as gay or a sissy so how do we address this?
Well no one can doubt David Beckham or 007’s virile manliness. We make them images of the products in question. They are “sophisticated, cosmopolitan, stylish.” They are not buying thongs because of any “queer” tendencies, etc. This is the way an agency tries to “shift” public perception.
F&B: Also by the way, I happen to like pink martinis (actually any martinis) but since Buca Buca closed I am on a dry spell. What to do? And Fredericka Bimmel as always you have me figured out. How could I possibly ever think that I could pull the “sheep” over your eyes, though I wouldn’t mind trying. Sorry you couldn’t make it out with us last night. We had a fun time being out last night. Going out in Taipei is a lot of fun. There sure were a lot of people out last night but then everyone likes to go out on Wednesday night though Saturday night is a pretty good night to be out too. 
Soddom:
What do you think of GQ and Men’s Health as magazines?
Just curious (bicurious actually). Shut up Laurie!
fred smith v.
To answer the question, I’ve never read those magazines.
On another note, what’s with the “v”? I like to think that’s telling me to F off, since I’m being such a bitch today, but I suspect it’s one of those ridiculous American titles like jr. Do you suppose anyone has ever heard of, or cares about your equally unknown predecessors, i through iv? Does it make one feel regal? Perhaps you need to distinguish yourself at home, but leave it there, hey.
Soddom, bitch of Taipei.
A miltown story:
I got this friend that likes to paint his toe nails, wears only girls deoderant, is always really clean cut, trims his eye brows, uses fancy creams, etc. From this description, one might say he’s gay (and many people who don’t know him might think the same).
But after you see his girlfriend or (if like me) you know him well and know about all of the shagging he’s done in his time (and continues to) it’s very clear that he is not gay or anything close to that (not saying it’s bad or anything).
When we’ve talked about it, he says what he does he does for himself. It’s not for looking good for girls or anything like that. He does think it may have come from being raised with no father and a bunch of sisters, but who knows. Besides the aboved mentioned rituals he’s the most manlyest man I know (he’s a bouncer that beats the @#$& out of people when that time comes, he DJ’s, as mentioned before shags, etc).
Being gay just means you like to shag guys (if your a guy). I don’t know much about gays and the gay community, but I’m sure there must be some hardcore gays out there that make rambo look like bambi (if you know what I mean).
Hope this fits into the discussion somewhere.
P.S. Is gay the right word? I mean no offence.
He does, he surely does! The message is: “Look at that that Little Lord Fauntleroy pansy. What a total prat! Good midfielder, though.”
Metrosex? Never done it myself, but I’d be up for it, so long as it wasn’t the rush hour.
As for being well-groomed versus “manly” in a wash-my-hair-with soap, scrub-off-the-lice-with-a-brillo-pad kind of way, well, I’ve been both in my multi-faceted life, and I can say with some authority that the well-groomed Sandman gets fucked FAR, FAR more often than did the other Sandman.
Having said that, I use shampoo, soap and some kind of deodorant the wife buys for me. Trim the ol’ nose hairs once in a while, that kind of thing. I even wore a sarong and went barefoot once at 45 (OK, it was a tablecloth, but it looked like a sarong and it was only because someone spilt red wine on my trousers at dinner beforehand)
But I have never, ever, in my wildest drug-induced ravings, EVER considered getting my
nutsack waxed
. :shock: :shock: :shock:
One last comment and then I am outta here (snap snap):
Okay. Ad/pr agencies assume variables to market products. Agreed?
Not everyone including your friend will fit entirely within those variables. They are general marketing techniques that assume well certain assumptions. They direct messages to increase sales to these target groups or there would be no point to having any advertising at all.
I mentioned the two magazines because they secretly are marketing their products and content to gay or bisexual men. The editors themselves finally admitted it. Is that a problem? Certainly not. There are women’s magazines too but with the sensitivity involving some gay issues and people confronting gay identities, I am sure that this is easier for many to swallow (um…) Anyone in advertising knows this. Perhaps the general public does not… but butt… Don’t even get me started on cigarette or alcohol advertising. That is so crystal clear that even why anyone could get it.
so, look back at the tagline the Marion Salzmann and the ad agency that she works for and recognize this for what it is. This is not about gay or not gay. It is about Marion and her agency trying to flog products to a market that they BELIEVE to be gay a la the strategies used by GQ and Men’s Health. In fact, I would guess that even GQ and Men’s Health would be quick to jump on the metrosexual thing to widen their readership. My problem is not with the gay aspect but the whole “metrosexual” hype and content. For the same reason, chefs probably hate some new kind of bullshit like pumpkin soup or raspberry vinaigrette or today it is lychee because they recognize it for the cheap publicity stunt that it is.
soddom:
Entre nous, there are not just five generations of us but close to 31. Think of it frederick p. smiths stretching back to 949 AD. What a f***ing nightmare. Hell on earth has finally arrived and I am its messenger.
Now perhaps you may not realize this but fred smith is not my real name. I know (shock of shocks) cuz I realize everyone else is using their real names here but I just cannot face myself yet or be truthful and honest about my sexuality. (this pink leather thong itches).
Now seriously, smith the fifth (get it, a rhyme for a way too generic name) then again there could be things like bottles which also come in fifths. Get it? 
[quote=“sandman”]But I have never, ever, in my wildest drug-induced ravings, EVER considered getting my
nutsack waxed
. :shock: :shock: :shock:[/quote]
Some waxing places refuse to do it (yes people do request it) because of the danger of ripping. Spoil Sports
One last comment and I could not help myself
Matthew how in the name of all that is holy do you know that some places have had requests for this, refused, etc. and that it rips the nut sack.
It’s not nice being refused… you remember it for a long time…
Seriously, i don’t know, I must have read it somewhere, an image like that stays in your mind long after your eyes have stopped watering.
Matthew: