More Blue Hypocrisy

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[quote=“doraemon”][quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]

The average Taiwanese have voted to put the party that has no issue with Chinese culture, introduced modern Mandarin in Taiwan, and support the offical name of ROC back in power again.

.[/quote]

You mean the party of Mr horsey, who get only 27% of support (a world record) after only a little bit more than 2 months? :laughing:[/quote][/quote]

The el presidente will be more worried if the economy is still doing poorly 3 1/2 years from now. But, the economic cycle will be much more favorable by then. You heard it here first. :slight_smile:

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[quote=“doraemon”][quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]

The average Taiwanese have voted to put the party that has no issue with Chinese culture, introduced modern Mandarin in Taiwan, and support the offical name of ROC back in power again.

.[/quote]

You mean the party of Mr horsey, who get only 27% of support (a world record) after only a little bit more than 2 months? :laughing:[/quote][/quote]

But a major reason for his declining support is because of his soft stance against Japan on the Diaoyutai issue. Surely a pro-Japan Taiwanese isn’t suggesting MYJ goto war with Japan in order to boost his popularity.

:laughing:

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[quote=“goingstrong”] They’re happy enough as to where they are which is why, many just support the status quo. :slight_smile:

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The status quo is Republic of China. Oh no, not that China thing again. :roflmao:

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Try not to swallow the green tasty water. :smiley:
The only people who ever talk about the FINAL SOLUTION are the “Taiwan for pure Taiwanese” Greenies. Crazy. :loco:

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[quote=“ac_dropout”]
I find your understanding of anthropology and socialogy to be quite novel.

The Chinese have been in the US for 100 years as well. Since the gold rush period and transcontinental railroad period. Thus using your premise, the Chinese in the USA are actually American, because they’ve been in the US for 100 years. They have their own identity, culture, system, and occupy local government position within the US as well.

Thus your conclusions on your own identity of being an illerate non-fluent Taiwanese, means that your really an American. [/quote]
I find your logic with holes. :smiley: The Chinese have been in the US for 100 years but they’re still Chinese. The term “Chinese American” only means Chinese born in America. It doesn’t mean anything else. They’re proud Chinese in heart and in spirit. They relate pretty much with everyone in China and defend being Chinese. As long as they know they’re Chinese regardless of whether they know their language or not, that’s pretty much it. Their parents, just like any other parent of any country, would teach their youngsters their culture and so forth. Many of them hang out with other Chinese their age and attend Asian retreats/clubs. The identity is set in stone.

They don’t have to be under the CCP government to stop being who they are in heart. :slight_smile:

And because being born in another country means nothing until you know of who you are and your own culture. Even if you grew up with that country’s culture, deep inside, you know who you are. Regardless of whether you can either grow up in a high school full of Asian people or not, it all ends up the same. You end up looking more like your peers but as long as you at least know of your identity, that’s the most important thing to be proud of. (And not go in that way of “Azn pride” bleh.)

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As LA has point out, Japanese products, entertainment, and food can be found worldwide. So finding these things in Taiwan doesn’t make your argument anymore convincing. [/quote]
I don’t find your arguments that convincing either because you guys still don’t get it. Taiwan has a blend of both Chinese and Japanese culture together. China brought language/writing and food to Taiwan, twice. Japan brought in improved road systems, food, a system, education, and even baseball. Sooooo, putting these together. Taiwan has become something of a hybrid of a nation filled with people who have different views and cultures. :sunglasses:

[quote]I know you’ve had an online crush on me for quite sometime now.

Don’t change your handle anytime soon… :laughing: [/quote]
Haha… Surrrree. :wink:

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The average Taiwanese have voted to put the party that has no issue with Chinese culture, introduced modern Mandarin in Taiwan, and support the offical name of ROC back in power again.

Perhaps when you become literate in Chinese and fluent in either dialect of Mandarin or Minnan Chinese, your arguments will become more convincing.

Because right now your views are not aligned with the average Taiwanese.[/quote]
From what I recall, everyone voted in KMT because they want to keep the independence and don’t want a war with China. Therefore, Taiwan stays independent! Even if I knew Mandarin, my viewpoints wouldn’t change one bit. Heh. (And then, Ma ends up loosing popularity as low as Bush. Oh dear…)

And woot! Average Taiwanese are majorites in Taiwan! Awesum.

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[quote=“LA”]
The status quo is Republic of China. Oh no, not that China thing again. :roflmao:[/quote]
And? The name’s moot when Taiwan’s in front of it. It may be attached to it on maps and elsewhere but people call the place Taiwan. Republic of China name represented Chiang’s viewpoint. What’s that viewpoint today? Oh right. Three way split!

[quote=“LA”]Try not to swallow the green tasty water. :smiley:
The only people who ever talk about the FINAL SOLUTION are the “Taiwan for pure Taiwanese” Greenies. Crazy. :loco:[/quote]
You know… I believe all the people who don’t want to swallow the green tasty water are just afraid the big bully will really destroy them. Instead of defending their homeland, they end up being chickens and ease themselves to surrender at will. :sunglasses: Which means, they opt for the stay safe independence outcome which leads back to status quo.

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:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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[quote=“LA”]Don’t tell me you support the “Taiwan for pure Taiwanese” nonsense. :howyoudoin:
You mean all those diversity and tolerance of different culture stuff are just lip service. Those Japanese wannabe better leave Taiwan prompto. wink, wink.

BTW, I don’t think you really know what the FINAL SOLUTION is about. Scary green stuff. :loco:[/quote]
The heck. There are people who support Taiwan to be completely filled with just pure Taiwanese? Hahahaha… That’s like all the Chinese in Taiwan who want Taiwan to be just Chinese. :laughing:

Taiwan is made up of different cultures, people, and different ideas. The way I see it though in the election, the half who voted for KMT for the reason of status quo really are chickens . The brave people would stand up to all those missiles pointing towards them. The chickens are just kow-towing to keep the peace. I doubt big bully China would try anything really.

Why destroy an island full of idealists who only want peace with China? Oh wait… :unamused:

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So this process can also occur in Taiwan. Where "‘Chinese Taiwanese’ are proud Chinese in heart and in spirit.

Doesn’t that counter your questionable claim of Taiwan culture being a mix of Japanese and Chinese culture?

I’m not a fan of this final solution. Because then what do you do with all the WGR? Unlike Japanese wannabe, WGR are not Taiwanese seeking a new identity as a solution to the Strait Issue.

This will would result in Taiwan being populated by no one.

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[quote=“LA”]Don’t tell me you support the “Taiwan for pure Taiwanese” nonsense. :howyoudoin:
You mean all those diversity and tolerance of different culture stuff are just lip service. Those Japanese wannabe better leave Taiwan prompto. wink, wink.

BTW, I don’t think you really know what the FINAL SOLUTION is about. Scary green stuff. :loco:[/quote]
The heck. There are people who support Taiwan to be completely filled with just pure Taiwanese? Hahahaha… That’s like all the Chinese in Taiwan who want Taiwan to be just Chinese. :laughing:

Taiwan is made up of different cultures, people, and different ideas. The way I see it though in the election, the half who voted for KMT for the reason of status quo really are chickens . The brave people would stand up to all those missiles pointing towards them. The chickens are just kow-towing to keep the peace. I doubt big bully China would try anything really.

Why destroy an island full of idealists who only want peace with a communistic socialist country? Oh wait… :unamused:

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[quote=“ac_dropout”]So this process can also occur in Taiwan. Where "‘Chinese Taiwanese’ are proud Chinese in heart and in spirit.

Doesn’t that counter your questionable claim of Taiwan culture being a mix of Japanese and Chinese culture?[/quote]
:laughing: You mean Chinese Taiwanese, Singaporean Taiwanese, Filipino Taiwanese, Taiwanese, etc?

Of course not because that would mean, you call the people “Chinese Japanese Taiwanese” aye? So, why not simplify it to Taiwanese to get the confusion out of the way? All that Chinese pride thing was what I see from all the Chinese I interact with. I also interact with Taiwanese so I can tell certain difference which makes both of them unique.

Edit: I see where you’re trying to go with this but as I mentioned awhile ago… Some people with ties of over a 100 years in Taiwan lost a lot of their Chinese cutsoms and stuff. The people with deep roots in Taiwan have made their own history in Taiwan. I’m fine with people who either immigrated to Taiwan as of late, have relatives from China, or so forth… It’s fine to call themselves “Chinese Taiwanese”. Same thing with “Filipino Taiwanese”, etc.

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Grouping them all as Huaren is good enough for me. :laughing:

Problem solved. No need to split hair over some nebulous sub-ethnic divide.

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Some people wonder why I continue to engage you. Surely, they say, AC has made all the comically absurd statements he can possibly make. Give the boy some credit I say. He never disappoints.

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Grouping them all as Huaren is good enough for me. :laughing:

Problem solved. No need to split hair over some nebulous sub-ethnic divide.

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[quote=“LA”]Grouping them all as Huaren is good enough for me. :laughing:

Problem solved. No need to split hair over some nebulous sub-ethnic divide.[/quote]
Actaully… people should just call others by their actual ethnic in Taiwan. Sub-ethnics don’t represent everyone just like in any other country. It should just apply to those who were born in Taiwan or is a registered resident. Period. Problem solved indeed. :3 (Yes, I’m making an obvious statement but I don’t mind. sighs)

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Some people wonder why I continue to engage you. Surely, they say, AC has made all the comically absurd statements he can possibly make. Give the boy some credit I say. He never disappoints.[/quote]

[quote]http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asiapacific/news/article_1418189.php/Taiwan_President_Mas_popularity_falls_43_per_cent

Ma has been blasted for Taiwan’s continuing economic problems and his soft stance on the Taiwan-Japan dispute over the sovereignty of the Tiaoyu Islands.[/quote]

Well it’s not like I need to make anything up to be funny about Taiwan.

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[quote=“ac_dropout”][quote=“doraemon”][quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]

The average Taiwanese have voted to put the party that has no issue with Chinese culture, introduced modern Mandarin in Taiwan, and support the offical name of ROC back in power again.

.[/quote]

You mean the party of Mr horsey, who get only 27% of support (a world record) after only a little bit more than 2 months? :laughing:[/quote]

But a major reason for his declining support is because of his soft stance against Japan on the Diaoyutai issue. Surely a pro-Japan Taiwanese isn’t suggesting MYJ goto war with Japan in order to boost his popularity.

:laughing:[/quote][/quote]

It has much more to do with his focusing on cross-strait ties and kowtowing to Beijing rather than paying more attention to Taiwan’s economy, not to mention repeated displays of corruption by KMT officials and the poor way it has dealt with China issue regarding the Olympics.