MORE hypocritical family-value Republicans!

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[quote=“jdsmith”]Oh please, behave. I have only been following this thread for a few days now, so spare me the density of your comments. I questioned his statement about being in exile and this is the first I’ve heard of his civil union being in CA. I have questioned Craig about why he thinks these men are being hypocritical when they do not seek SSM with the men they have sex with. Point is, they don’t. They just want sex. I don’t think there are any laws on the books or bills in the process that support a ban on gay sex.

I came into this thread with a very clear position in my head, that heaping scorn on politicians for their homosexual behavior is reprehensible. Nuff said.

It is not my business why Craig stays in Taiwan, why his partner doesn’t get a job in the US, or study; it is not my place to ask whether or not he has written any letters to any politicians about his situation friendly and unfriendly to his cause. Again, MY point was to say that mocking people for their sexual behavior is wrong, even if what they are doing politically is antithetical to that behavior. For me, Craifg is wasting his time here spouting off and not putting his words to papers and emails and directly them to the many CA Dems who actually do fully support SSM. [/quote]
A box of rocks…

Are you from the US? Are you familiar with how US immigration law works? It doesn’t matter whether we are registered domestic partners in CA or married in MA, the US will not allow me to sponsor my partner for US residence. A heterosexual US citizen, on the other hand, can sponsor his/her partner for US residence. This is not equal protection under the law. Family values politicians are largely responsible for this not only not being rectified, but trying to codify it in the US Constitution. It’s not CA Dems, but family values Republicans who are doing this. I can write all the letters to my Reps and Senators until my fingers fall off, and I’d just be preaching to the choir.

The point of this thread, including the arguments made by Chris and me, is not about the politician’s sexual behavior per se, but combined with their active promotion of a family values agenda while not practicing what they preach. It’s astonishing that you don’t get that.

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Family values politicians are largely responsible for this not only not being rectified, but trying to codify it in the US Constitution.

That will never happen in a million years and anyone telling you it will has already decided your vote for you.

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It’s not CA Dems, but family values Republicans who are doing this.[/quote]
Again, their success if it can be called that will be very limited.

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I can write all the letters to my Reps and Senators until my fingers fall off, and I’d just be preaching to the choir.[/quote]
Really, so why try right? And, as I have mentioned twice, the number of Dems that support SSM is astonishingly low; a vast majority of them do not support SSM. The DNC doesn’t either. How do you get that they are? Do some digging. They aren’t. Get me? MOST Dems do not even address this issue.

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The point of this thread, including the arguments made by Chris and me, is not about the politician’s sexual behavior per se, but combined with their active promotion of a family values agenda while not practicing what they preach. It’s astonishing that you don’t get that.[/quote]
I do get your point. I happen to believe you’re wrong. What are they practicing? Gay sex. They are not practicing SSM. Any arguments you have made here still don’t stand up to scrutiny. Why mock and debase? Why heap scorn? Why degrade these men for essentially behaving in the same loving activities that you and your partner behave in?

I honestly do hope that haven’t given up on the letter writing thing. In the very least, you’ll be on record. This very small group of ultra religious conservatives aren’t going to help you, so why hate them? Why give them so much of your energy? Why not befriend Dianne Feinstein or some other CA rep who supports your cause and will give you a listen? :thumbsup:

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Oh, Oh! I know the answer!

[quote]Hypocrisy

The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.

The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

The practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc., contrary to one’s real character or actual behavior, esp the pretense of virtue and piety[/quote]

Allow me to be pedantic… :laughing:

There is no hypocrisy in these cases, actually. What have we here? A bunch of Congressmen who have opposed gay marriage and who then have been caught having gay sex. How, actually, does that constitute hypocrisy?

It doesn’t, actually.

There would be hypocrisy if these guys had:

1. on the one hand opposed gay marriage while on the other hand attempted to get around the rules to enter into a gay marriage for themselves; or

2. on the one hand advocated legislation banning or otherwise criminalizing gay sex while on the other hand secretly went about having gay sex.

But, they’re not doing either of those, are they?

They’re simply engaging in gay sex. And, as JD has correctly pointed out, there is no law against having gay sex.

So, where actually is this hypocrisy that so many are railing against?

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[quote=“Tigerman”]Allow me to be pedantic… :laughing:

There is no hypocrisy in these cases, actually. What have we here? A bunch of Congressmen who have opposed gay marriage and who then have been caught having gay sex. How, actually, does that constitute hypocrisy?

It doesn’t.

There would be hypocrisy if these guys had:

  1. on the one hand opposed gay marriage while on the other hand attempted to get around the rules to enter into a gay marriage for themselves; or

  2. on the one hand advocated legislation banning or otherwise criminalizing gay sex while on the other hand secretly went about having gay sex.

But, they’re not doing either of those, are they?

They’re simply engaging in gay sex. And, as JD has correctly pointed out, there is no law against having gay sex.

So, where actually is this hypocrisy that so many are railing against?[/quote]

The issue is about politicians who preach and campaign based on family values, then do exactly what they are preaching and campaigning against. The issue is not just gay marriage, as you and jdsmith would like to make it be. There are probably far more heterosexual politicians preaching and campaigning on family values while cheating on their wives, not paying child support, getting divorced and re-married over and over, but you guys can’t seem to focus on anything but the ones getting caught having gay sex. It’s NOT the gay sex. It’s the hypocrisy of speaking out against something that they are doing themselves.

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Actually, Craig, I know that. I was being pedantic, for the benefit of GBH.

Actually, its you guys who seem to focus on the guys getting caught having gay sex. I couldn’t care less about people having gay sex.

I know. I suppose that I should have added more smilies for you. :slight_smile:

Anyway, when are the lefties gonna start a thread on lefty politicians calling for higher taxes while hiding their own loot, or calling for civil debate while turning away while union thugs advocate violence? Or, is it only hypocrisy on the right that offends? :wink:

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I once knew a self avowed communist that had Rayban sunglasses. It was shocking!

HG

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Don’t preach/campaign on family values if you can’t practice what you preach.

Family value hypocrites:

Ohio Rep. Robert Mecklenborg is a Republican legislator and former prosecutor who has made his career on family values legislation, including his opposition to abortion rights. The Roman Catholic legislator seemed to have strayed a bit after he was arrested in a car with temporary Kentucky plates in Indiana with a young stripper. Tests found he was loaded with not just alcohol but Viagra.

Newt Gingrich, who was calling for Clinton’s impeachment for an affair, while having an affair himself.

Republican Rep. Christopher Lee of New York resigned his House seat Wednesday following a report that the married congressman had tried to meet a woman on Craigslist.

The sex scandals that have tarnished Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) don’t appear to have much in common. Yet there is one thread that binds them together: Both Ensign and Sanford were members of the famed family valyes Republican House class of 1994.

One of the first to see his marriage unravel was Rep. Jim Bunn (R-Ore.) who, not long after taking office in 1995, divorced his wife, married one of his political aides, and later elevated her to chief of staff. Bunn lost his 1996 reelection bid.

Representative Mark Souder, a conservative Indiana Republican, said Tuesday that he was resigning as of Friday after having an extramarital affair with a staff member in his district office, as events continued to roil the midterm election landscape.

Indiana State Rep. Phillip Hinkle, the anti-gay marriage Indiana Republican accused of offering to pay a young man he met over Craigslist for “a good time,” admits that he paid the man but contends that they didn’t do anything illicit — they just talked about “baseball and the view.”

Larry Craig, who helped enact anti-gay military policy, was trolling for gay sex in public restrooms.

Today, most Republicans refuse to acknowledge or address the hypocrisy, using the time-honored techniques honed by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to deny the existence of the 800 pound gorilla parked on the living room coffee table…

… and the hypocrisy of that – of the GOP "family values’ party that today refuses to even acknowledge the problems posed by their hypocrisy, is the bottom line left behind with the Republican “Contract with America.”

(Excerpts copied from a variety of sources because I’m too damn busy to compose this myself.)

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[quote=“CraigTPE”]

Don’t preach/campaign on family values if you can’t practice what you preach.

Family value hypocrites:

Ohio Rep. Robert Mecklenborg is a Republican legislator and former prosecutor who has made his career on family values legislation, including his opposition to abortion rights. The Roman Catholic legislator seemed to have strayed a bit after he was arrested in a car with temporary Kentucky plates in Indiana with a young stripper. Tests found he was loaded with not just alcohol but Viagra.

Newt Gingrich, who was calling for Clinton’s impeachment for an affair, while having an affair himself.

Republican Rep. Christopher Lee of New York resigned his House seat Wednesday following a report that the married congressman had tried to meet a woman on Craigslist.

The sex scandals that have tarnished Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) don’t appear to have much in common. Yet there is one thread that binds them together: Both Ensign and Sanford were members of the famed family valyes Republican House class of 1994.

One of the first to see his marriage unravel was Rep. Jim Bunn (R-Ore.) who, not long after taking office in 1995, divorced his wife, married one of his political aides, and later elevated her to chief of staff. Bunn lost his 1996 reelection bid.

Representative Mark Souder, a conservative Indiana Republican, said Tuesday that he was resigning as of Friday after having an extramarital affair with a staff member in his district office, as events continued to roil the midterm election landscape.

Indiana State Rep. Phillip Hinkle, the anti-gay marriage Indiana Republican accused of offering to pay a young man he met over Craigslist for “a good time,” admits that he paid the man but contends that they didn’t do anything illicit — they just talked about “baseball and the view.”

Larry Craig, who helped enact anti-gay military policy, was trolling for gay sex in public restrooms.

Today, most Republicans refuse to acknowledge or address the hypocrisy, using the time-honored techniques honed by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to deny the existence of the 800 pound gorilla parked on the living room coffee table…

… and the hypocrisy of that – of the GOP "family values’ party that today refuses to even acknowledge the problems posed by their hypocrisy, is the bottom line left behind with the Republican “Contract with America.”

(Excerpts copied from a variety of sources because I’m too damn busy to compose this myself.)[/quote]

And yet, not a word about Barney Frank and his misleading thousands of investors and millions of people into believing FM and FM were doing OK. :thumbsup: :noway:

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Federal prosecutors unsealed an indictment against state Democrat Sen. Leland Yee in court Wednesday, accusing him of conspiring to commit wire fraud and traffic firearms.

According to an FBI-sworn affidavit, Yee proposed to import the fully automatic machine guns into the U.S. from a Philippines-based Muslim terror group.

Holy shit! That’s serious shit!

But, the Democrat politician has been crusading for gun control all the while he’s been conspiring to import machine guns! :astonished:

Leland Yee Crusaded For Gun Control Before Indictment On Gun Charges

GTFOOH! :unamused:

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What does this have to do with family values?

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Duh…

To quote one of the Liberals in this thread:

:laughing:

Why narrow the topic of hypocritical politicians? There are LOTS of hypocritical politicians, both Republican and Democrat. You afraid to discuss Democrat hypocrisy? :smiley:

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Just for you, Chris:

A Whole Lotta Democratic Corruption Going On

This one’s really good!

:laughing:

How 'bout this one… ewww!

Illinois state Democrat House Rep. Keith Farnham, child porn probe suspect: After sponsoring two bills to increase penalties for child porn possession, Farnham was the subject of state and federal raids last week on his home … for possession of child porn. Over the weekend, he resigned his seat citing “serious health issues.”

Dirty Democrats! :bluemad:

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This Leland Yee is one sleazy San Francisco style of Democrat :laughing:

What I find interesting about his background is his love of non-profits for low income people, his work experience in social sectors, and how many public awards he received. In my opinion, the NGO sector hides a lot of pus because there aren’t nearly as many transparency obligations as there are in the corporate sector (on financial accountability, background checks etc). It amazes me how much sleaze is attracted to the NGO and mental health sector. This person obtains all the feel-good tissue-paper social sector qualifications (including a doctorate), wins numerous social sector and community awards, becomes a politico, and then gets involved in gun running. :smiley: :smiley: They should make this into a movie plot! :discodance: This asshole sure had them all fooled! Working with terrorists in the Philippines? :unamused:

Abolitionist of the Year Award? :laughing: :roflmao:

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SAN FRANCISCO – The FBI corruption and gunrunning sting that ensnared a state senator, a supposedly reformed mobster and their political operatives also swept up nearly two dozen others whose ties shed unusual light on the expanse of a criminal enterprise emanating far beyond San Francisco’s Chinatown.

On top of the headline-grabbing charges against Leland Yee, Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow and former city school board President Keith Jackson, the federal investigation reached far and wide, entailing arrests and warrant searches that touched the Peninsula, East Bay and South Bay, and farther still to New York, Boston and Atlanta, according to law-enforcement sources. [/quote]
mercurynews.com/crime-courts … llustrates

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee

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What blows me away about these corrupt California Democrats is that they are still entitled to their salary. This is what happens when you have Democrats control both houses for years and years in any jurisdiction. You increase pay for legislators, and you make sure they still get it after they doing such “dirty things.”

This all goes back to Democratic Speaker Jesse Unruh in California back in the 60s. He drank, chased, gave legislators raise after raise, and set the benefit framework for today’s entitlement culture for California’s political class. Really brutal. Before Unruh–legislators were paid nominal amounts because it was seen as public service. You weren’t supposed to profit.

In today’s entitlement culture, you provide such salaries combined with non-accountability :laughing: and it motivates a public-health PhD. leech such as Yee to leave the non-profit field into politics. :laughing: :laughing:

hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ … 8-14-12-27

But heh, Feinstein and the SF Mayor like him!!! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 … 30268.html

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This has been a good thing for California recently. Without enough Republicans to obstruct their agenda, Jerry Brown and the Democrats were able to use a voter-approved measure to raise taxes on the top brackets, and thus increase revenue. Now California enjoys a healthy surplus thanks to Brown’s fiscal policies.

Brown has mostly curbed spending requests from his party that he deems wasteful. While many states with surpluses today want to use them to finance tax cuts and social spending, Brown wants to use the surplus to pay down the state debt (a very responsible move) and put the rest in a rainy day fund for future emergencies. California also has a looming pension shortfall in the near future, so Brown’s plans make sense.

Believe it or not, one party rule combined with a sane governor at the helm limiting his party’s excesses has benefited California.

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Christian Values Congressman Vance McAllister Was Caught on Video Kissing a Staffer

thewire.com/politics/2014/04 … er/360293/

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He deserves to be kicked out and prosecuted for his crimes. Republicans, however, will defend and reward their hypocrites. David Vitter, anyone? Re-elected! Mark Sanford? Re-elected!

Plus, for every one family-values hypocrite among the Dems, there are probably ten or more among the Rubes.It’s a consequence of the Christ-like family-values standard of sinlessness being so high that it’s nearly impossible for any human being to achieve.

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Tigerman:

Leave Chris alone… He has issues with rich successful people… I cannot help but wonder how he has arrived at such a vacillating resentful state… must have something to do with the ABCs and shitty diapers… that said, where would America be without all these amazing benefits? I mean we have a 50 year track record. Surely, only a selfish greedy humanity hating bastard would question the morality of our 50 year experiment in welfare, public housing, public school education, food stamps, etc. SURELY it is about corporate greed!!!