Morocco Earthquake of 2023

Wow, up to 2000 now

Lots of buildings in Morocco are centuries old, others are basically made of mud

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Taiwan steps up:

Guy

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Don’t spend it all in one place :joy:

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Taiwan has—individually and collectively—been pretty good at this disaster relief thing. Perhaps you looked at that figure quoted above and thought: that’s far from enough. Others will almost certainly hold a similar view and help in other ways.

Historically here is one guy who has done so across the world (this report from 2009 is now more than a decade old, but it gives a sense of what some talented folks in Taiwan can do to step up when needed):

https://www.taiwan-panorama.com/en/Articles/Details?Guid=32e3791c-3b58-4401-b450-31bcefce9a54&langId=3&CatId=11&postname="Housing%20Is%20a%20Fundamental%20Human%20Right"--Hsieh%20Ying-chun%2C%20Rural%20Architect

Guy

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It’s really stupid on the government’s part to donate money to such a hostile country, even if it’s only pittance.

Morocco allows visa free entry of Chinese citizens but Taiwanese ppl need to apply for a visa.

I disagree. Good to take the high ground and make them look like assholes. Kill them with kindness, attract more flies with honey, etc, etc. This is a global PR war as much as it’s charity.

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Taiwan doesn’t provide visa free for Moroccan’s that want to visit Taiwan. So a bit harsh to call Morocco hostile…

Edit, additionally with natural disasters we need to help, same as other countries helped Taiwan a lot during 921 as an example. Let politics rest for these things in my view

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That’s very naive. First of all these countries don’t care. And it’s only good PR if it’s reported globally, which it isn’t.

Other countries don’t allow Moroccans visa free travels either but they can visit Morocco without a visa. It’s clear as day that Morocco is just hostile. The same applies to a bunch of other very poor countries like Mexico, Argentina, South Africa etc. As if any Taiwanese would willingly overstay there.

That was a million years ago. A lot have changed.

Besides did Morocco help Taiwan? No they didn’t.

Countries can care? I sure hope they’re not petty and loathsome with things like free speech. :roll_eyes:

You are not funny.

On the other hand, it seems that Morocco itself is quite picky about what support they’re accepting:

A statement on Sunday from the interior ministry said Morocco had “responded in this particular phase to offers of support from the friendly nations: Spain, Qatar, the UK and the United Arab Emirates”.

Spain has sent a search-and-rescue unit with sniffer dogs and the UK has deployed a similar team, but there have been questions over why Morocco has been slow to accept other offers.

French help is on standby but the head of one rescue charity, Secouristes sans Frontieres, said his aid workers had not been given the go-ahead from the Moroccan government, the AFP news agency reports.

Algeria, which cut diplomatic ties with its North African neighbour two years ago, said it could send 80 specialised rescue workers from its civil protection force.

There have also been offers from the US, Tunisia, Turkey and Taiwan among others.
But the decision over what assistance to welcome has got caught up in questions of sovereignty and geopolitics.

Although they state it’s nothing political and they’re apparently just afraid that too much international help will make the coordination difficult:

Sorry, but I can’t accept your view… read it like this so maybe you see it too… “TAIWAN is a very HOSTILE country, they don’t provide visa free for Moroccan citizens while they give it to others”.

A country give visa free visits for other’s citizens to boost business and tourism. And why do you compare with China? China is a total separate country and have nothing to do with Taiwan.

921 “was a million years ago”… sigh… personally I’m very happy that the latest huge earthquake in Taiwan was a long time ago… but all to their own opinion…

Btw, Mexico that you also complain about above was on the ground in Taiwan after 921, their search and rescue teams saved many Taiwanese stuck in collapsed buildings. But not that you care as it was “a million years ago”….

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Morocco is a poor country of course most other countries don’t allow visa free entry of Moroccans.

China doesn’t allow visa free entry of Moroccans either but Morocco allows Chinese citizens visa free entry. Why is that? :roll:

China was weak and poor in 1999 so these developing countries sent rescue teams. If it was now they wouldn’t even bother. Which is why we shouldn’t bother sending help or any money to them either.

Why should they? China don’t give visa free to many countries, but can offer heaps of potential outbound tourists so of course countries that depends on tourism want to give visa free to China. Taiwan is a rich country based on GDP but a small country, Taiwan can’t offer what China can. That doesn’t make Morocco hostile same as it doesn’t make Taiwan hostile

What does this have to do with China? Yes China tried to delay the help Mexico, Turkey, Japan etc. was giving Taiwan for 921, but if China was weak or strong is not relevant for Taiwan. So in your mind Taiwan should only help countries that are rich and strong and don’t give a f…k about poorer countries :roll_eyes:
Taiwan’s search and rescue expertise is awesome now, but quantity for handling huge disasters in shortest possible time is not there, so Taiwan would definitely thank any country that would want to assist in case of a disaster.

Very few countries allow Chinese nationals to travel without a visa. Morocco is one of them.

Actually it does make Morocco hostile. Singapore is smaller but Singaporeans can visit Morocco without a visa.

It means that China had no clout then so all they could do was close their air space. China has clout now so if there’s a natural disaster in Taiwan now poor countries like Mexico and Morocco wouldn’t give a tiny rat’s ass. So why should we help them? 500k USD isn’t much as international aid but it can help many poor local families.

If China invades, you better hope the rest of the world doesn’t think this way.

It could just be as simple as Taiwan isn’t a real country, and they can’t be bothered to deal with it for maybe a couple hundred tourists a year. I don’t think the Moroccan government or people think enough about Taiwan to be hostile towards it.

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Everyone knows in that case the only relevant countries are Japan and America. You expect Morocco to send their warship to help?

That’s not hostile? :roll:

No. What I mean is, the entire world, including those like Canada who do have ships as well as people like Americans who could die. Even just economic sanctions. Why should anybody help Taiwan?

Nope. Perhaps you haven’t heard, most of the world doesn’t officially recognize as a sovereign nation.

How many times do I have to say the word “Tourism revenues”?

Singapore is a larger international trading hub

And no, it doesn’t make Morocco hostile, it doesn’t make Taiwan hostile, a hostile country is not based on visa free or not, please read again why countries allows visa free as I wrote above

Sounds like a powerful kiss superiors ass with a mixture of school yard bully, let’s only help people that don’t need the help, while any weaker or poorer we don’t care about. Mother Theresa is crying in her grave