Muslim convert shows his Christmas spirit

A couple of news stories this week that caught my eye…sorry for the length.

With wackos like this guy in Illinois planning to set off hand grenades at a shopping mall - “He fixed on a day of December 22nd on Friday . . . because it was the Friday before Christmas and thought that would be the highest concentration of shoppers that he could kill and injure,” - I wouldn’t be surprised to see more situations like what is happening in a suburb in Houston, with residents there opposing plans for a mosque.

I’m certainly not saying the residents are right to oppose a mosque being built, but with Islamic nut-jobs waging jihad against civilians, Muslims are just not helping their cause.

[quote]December 8, 2006
Man arrested at Illinois mall for destructive plot

CHICAGO (AP) - A Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians was charged Friday in a plot to set off hand grenades at a shopping mall during the Christmas rush, authorities said.

Investigators said Derrick Shareef, 22, of Rockford, was acting alone and never actually obtained any grenades. “He fixed on a day of December 22nd on Friday . . . because it was the Friday before Christmas and thought that would be the highest concentration of shoppers that he could kill and injure,” said Robert Grant, the agent in charge of the Chicago FBI office.

Authorities said Shareef had been under investigation since September, when he told an acquaintance that “he wanted to commit acts of violent jihad against targets in the United States as well as commit other crimes.”

The acquaintance immediately informed the FBI, officials said.

Federal officials said Shareef planned to set off four hand grenades in garbage cans at the CherryVale shopping mall in Rockford, about 150 kilometres northwest of Chicago.

He was charged with one count of attempting to damage or destroy a building by fire or explosion and one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.

“While these are very serious charges, at no time was the public in any imminent peril,” U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said in a news release.

Other potential targets that Shareef allegedly discussed included government facilities such as courthouses and city hall, authorities said.

Shareef and his acquaintance cased the mall on Nov. 30, discussing the layout and spots where they might set off several grenades simultaneously to create more pandemonium, according to an FBI affidavit.

A spokeswoman for the mall said officials were co-operating with the investigation but referred all other questions to the U.S. attorney’s office. [/quote]

[quote]Houston suburb opposes plans for mosque; neighbour threatens to hold pig races

Rasha Madkour
Canadian Press

Friday, December 08, 2006

KATY, Texas (AP) - A plan to build a mosque in this Houston suburb has triggered a neighbourhood dispute, with community members warning the place will become a terrorist hotbed and one man threatening to hold pig races on Fridays just to offend the Muslims.

Many neighbourhood residents claim they have nothing against Muslims and are more concerned about property values, drainage and traffic.

But one resident has set up an anti-Islamic website with an odometer-like counter that keeps track of terrorist attacks since Sept. 11. A committee has formed to buy another property and offer to trade it for the Muslims’ land. And next-door neighbour Craig Baker has threatened to race pigs on the edge of the property on the Muslim holy day. Muslims consider pigs unclean and do not eat pork.

“The neighbours have created havoc for us and we didn’t expect that,” said engineer Kamel Fotouh, president of the 500-member Katy Islamic Association.

Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the four-hectare site, as well as a community centre that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness centre and an Islamic school.

“We just bought it,” Fotouh said. “And we are going to use it. We have the right like any one of them.”

Katy, population 13,000, is a mix of middle-class bedroom-community neighbourhoods and small farms on Houston’s western edge and boasts of being the hometown of Oscar-winning actress Renee Zellweger. It is 70 per cent white and 24 per cent Hispanic.

The Houston metropolitan area has about 170,000 Muslims, according to the Islamic Society of Greater Houston, and among their many mosques is one built in Houston by former NBA star Hakeem Olajuwon.

The Islamic association bought the land in Katy in September for US$1.1 million. It said the overall cost of the project has not been determined.

The dispute began when the group asked Baker to remove his cattle from their newly bought land. Baker agreed but mistakenly thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years. The rumour spread.

Baker, who makes marble and granite fixtures for kitchens and bathrooms and also owns livestock, said he got so mad he put up a sign announcing the pig races.

(Baker’s attempt to offend missed its mark, according to Fotouh. Muslims do not hate pigs, he said; they just don’t eat them.)

As for the website, the address is virtually identical to that of the Katy Islamic Association. The site claims the neighbours will have to hear the Muslim call to prayer from the mosque’s minaret five times a day, the Islamic group denies that, and offers an audio sample.

Besides keeping track of the running total of post-Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the website provides home addresses of some association members and advises people who see anything suspicious to contact the FBI. Many people have sent anti-Islamic e-mails to the site.

A few complaints about the mosque project have also trickled in to Harris County offices: The “Coming Soon” sign was on government property; the parking lot gravel was piled up without a permit; the project would increase traffic in the quiet neighbourhood.

County Commissioner Steve Radack said traffic concerns can be addressed as they are elsewhere, with off-duty police officers. He also noted the group has said it would comply with rules on drainage and flood control.

Cynthia Blackman wrote Radack that the centre was a security risk: “Would you and your family safely and comfortably live next to this 11-acre Muslim mosque and facilities?”

The reaction has not been all negative. Fotouh said one man came to the mosque on a Friday afternoon and apologized for his neighbours. “He moved me, really,” Fotouh said. “The sense of fairness, the sense of standing by the underdog.”

Though he now concedes the Muslims are probably not after his land, Baker said he is obligated to go through with the pig races, probably within the next few weeks, because “I would be like a total idiot if I didn’t. I’d be the laughingstock now because I’ve gone too far.”[/quote]

In all fairness to muslims, nutbags are just not helping their cause.

In all fairness to muslims, nutbags are just not helping their cause.[/quote]

Indeed, the Christians are not doing well on that score, either.
Insanity knows noe bounds.

Yet the People’s Popular Front for The Promotion Of Abazekiel lead by a score of 13 sore bottoms to 1.
Huzzah!

You are only seeing one side. It isn’t just the religious nutjob who isn’t helping defuse the situation, the Houstonites are also not. Both are showing hate, which will in turn breed hate.

I only said I’m not surprised people are opposing a mosque being built in their neighborhood when you’ve got renegade fools claiming to be Muslim threatening violence on innocent people. It scares people, and that is human nature. I didn’t say I agreed with it or was siding with one group.

By the way, where are the Buddhist suicide bombers? Where are the Christians attacking holiday shoppers with explosives? Where are the Hindu militants beheading captives?

I only said I’m not surprised people are opposing a mosque being built in their neighborhood when you’ve got renegade fools claiming to be Muslim threatening violence on innocent people. It scares people, and that is human nature. I didn’t say I agreed with it or was siding with one group.

By the way, where are the Buddhist suicide bombers? Where are the Christians attacking holiday shoppers with explosives? Where are the Hindu militants beheading captives?[/quote]

The Christian uses helicopters, jets, battleships and artillery. They don’t need the primitive weapons of the Muslim. However, if they are reduced to such primitive means they attack abortion clinics and government buildings.

My father once told me the difference between a terrorist group and an army was UN recognition.

The Christian uses helicopters, jets, battleships and artillery. They don’t need the primitive weapons of the Muslim. However, if they are reduced to such primitive means they attack abortion clinics and government buildings.[/quote]

Okay, I’ll give you the attacking abortion clinics point, that is repugnant. However, I can only laugh heartily at your suggestion that American and/or British (or other Western) military action is done under the guise of Christianity. That is ludicrous.

The idea that it is not is crazy.

Well you’d find Hindu suicide bombers in Sri Lanka and maybe their Buddhist opponents have chopped off a head or two. Christians bombing shoppers? A frequent occurrence in history.

Reminds me of the Christmas cards the White House sent out last year.

The Christian uses helicopters, jets, battleships and artillery. They don’t need the primitive weapons of the Muslim. However, if they are reduced to such primitive means they attack abortion clinics and government buildings.[/quote]

Okay, I’ll give you the attacking abortion clinics point, that is repugnant. However, I can only laugh heartily at your suggestion that American and/or British (or other Western) military action is done under the guise of Christianity. That is ludicrous.[/quote]

From our Great World Leader Bush

[quote]
“God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
–Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular[/quote]

Hope you had a gut belly laugh. I hear it’s good for the soul

:s

The Christian uses helicopters, jets, battleships and artillery. They don’t need the primitive weapons of the Muslim. However, if they are reduced to such primitive means they attack abortion clinics and government buildings.[/quote]

Okay, I’ll give you the attacking abortion clinics point, that is repugnant. However, I can only laugh heartily at your suggestion that American and/or British (or other Western) military action is done under the guise of Christianity. That is ludicrous.[/quote]

[quote]
“God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
–Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular[/quote]

Hope you had a gut belly laugh. I hear it’s good for the soul[/quote]

Oh please…one quote of an alleged quote doesn’t make it so. :unamused: Nice try though.

In addition to what I already said, I also laugh at the suggestion that American and/or British (or other Western) military action is done for the purpose of spreading Christianity.

I really do find it quite curious that it is difficult or impossible for some Westerners to accept criticism, scrutiny or critical evaluation of Islam without bringing up something to do with Christians.

I just think there are some very valid concerns and criticism of Islam as a world religion and I wish they would improve in line with the times. I see some real glaring shortcomings, and I don’t believe those same things are a problem with the other major religions of the world now.

And I think it’s curious that any action of an individual Moslem (a convert in this case) is always said to be a representative of Islam and all other Moslems but the same “standard” does not seem to be applied for Christians (or any other religion if you like).

And I think it’s curious that any action of an individual Moslem (a convert in this case) is always said to be a representative of Islam and all other Moslems but the same “standard” does not seem to be applied for Christians (or any other religion if you like).[/quote]

There is a world of difference in the shortcomings, faults or flaws of Islam as compared to those of the other major world religions at present.

No one is suggesting that the Muslim convert arrested in Illinois is representative of Islam either, by the way.

I won’t bother addressing that.

But that one just takes a sec. If you’re not suggesting he’s representative of all muslims, then why mention his faith at all, not to mention referring to it over and over and over? If you really weren’t commenting on muslims in general, why didn’t you just say, “Some nutcase wants to bomb Christmas shoppers”?

But that one just takes a sec. If you’re not suggesting he’s representative of all muslims, then why mention his faith at all, not to mention referring to it over and over and over? If you really weren’t commenting on muslims in general, why didn’t you just say, “Some nutcase wants to bomb Christmas shoppers”?[/quote]

Why did he want to bomb Christmas shoppers? It’s not because he’s angry he didn’t get a PS3, or missed a sale at Target. As the news story reports, the would-be attacker is “a Muslim convert who talked about his desire to wage jihad against civilians”. That’s pretty sick IMO. And that’s why I suggested in the OP that, although I disagree with them, I’m not surprised residents in Houston are opposed to a mosque coming into their neighborhood.

On the other point you didn’t want to address, when the leaders of the Islamic world renounce violence, then come talk to me.

I don’t see the leaders of the Christian world renouncing violence.
I see them backing Bush. I don’t much see a difference between Bush killing 1000 of them and them killing 1000 of us. War is war. Murder is murder. You seem to think that we never kill women and children when we bomb their country.

[quote=“SuchAFob”]I don’t see the leaders of the Christian world renouncing violence.
I see them backing Bush. I don’t much see a difference between Bush killing 1000 of them and them killing 1000 of us. War is war. Murder is murder. You seem to think that we never kill women and children when we bomb their country.[/quote]

That’s because I don’t agree with your interpretation of Western military action being ‘Christian’ in nature. That’s a load of crap.

Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus (have I left anyone out?) don’t wage jihad on non-believers or civilians.

It’s like arguing with the blind about what color a wall is…