My Lai massacre murderer died at 80

William Calley, convicted over the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, dies aged 80 (msn.com)

He didn’t seem to have paid for his crimes did he. He got away with the murder of so many innocents. His only defense was really that he was not the only guilty one. Many others were as well. They were as savage as japanese soldiers in the rape of nanking (which some in japan said never happened).

Calley spent three DAYS in jail ! And then 3 years at home (house arrest) before being set on his own way to become a well to do businessman. Nixon pardoned him. Many many American soldiers murdered innocents there and they all got away with it. None of them were ever punished for these crimes.

My Lai massacre - Wikipedia

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Maybe in Hell.

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Henry Kissinger? Did he pay? Hundreds of thousands dead for no reason.

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he too as well as many others have blood on their hands.
of course today we had the killing of israeli civilians when the palestinian raiders came across the border.
And many children and women dying today in Gaza points to less than surgical killing of “enemy elements” by the israeli army.

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Kant said “…a declaration of war is the easiest thing in the world to decide upon, because war does not require of the ruler, who is the proprietor and not a member of the state, the least sacrifice of the pleasures of his table, the chase, his country houses, his court functions, and the like. He may, therefore, resolve on war as on a pleasure party for the most trivial reasons, and with perfect indifference leave the justification which decency requires to the diplomatic corps who are ever ready to provide it.”

The ones who decide on war pay a trivial cost for waging it. Those who fight it either have to pay for it with their lives and limbs or make peace with the horrors they meted out or faced.

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A true injustice.

Also, most Japanese believe / deny any of the atrocities they committed during the Imperial Era. A truly vexing decision from their government, as it actively harms foreign relations with not just China, but the entire Southeast Asia, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, even Australia, Netherlands, the list goes on…

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What’s worse is by denying it , it leads to it happening again

But then mankind has proven we as a species can be absolutely brutal and without any sense of the value of another’s life to the point that killing unarmed children and women is seen as ok. Not to say unarmed men should be killed , they should not be

There is no wonder God seeks to destroy us

Actually He doesn’t have to He only has to let us do it to ourselves as we have and are doing

Man is totally capable of doing himself and his planet in all without divine intervention

If you take Japan as a person who once committed gruesome murders who now considers himself to be reformed … perhaps he cannot allow himself to remember the evils at his hands because he is worried the demon within may again one day be released because he cannot forgive himself because the evil is great and the only path to forgiveness is denial as he cannot forgive his actions

In that context it can be forgiven

Although in the Christian faith one must realize and atone for one’ssins

Perhaps in the way of the Samurai the evils one commits cannot be absolved or forgiven and the only path forward is to erase its memory

Because forgiveness can never be granted

I don’t get it. How is wiping out My Lai any different than wiping out Hiroshima or Gaza? The villagers of My Lai were harboring VC insurgents and US soldiers were taking fire from the village. Wiping out all the women, children, and old people saved the lives of US soldiers by eliminating a safe harbor for VC terrorists and demoralizing the enemy.

They murdered for revenge they were meant to be finding out intelligence information not executing children. If they had wanted to wipe out the entire village then it would have been bombed. Some of the US soldiers tried to stop it from happening. It was murder.

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Numbers? Positively motive.

Read the my lai wiki

As to war and atrocities let me expound on that when I get home

It was a search and destroy operation and the area was designated a free fire zone:

On the eve of the attack, at the Charlie Company briefing, Captain Ernest Medina told his men that nearly all the civilian residents of the hamlets in Sơn Mỹ village would have left for the market by 07:00, and that any who remained would most likely be VC or VC sympathizers. He was asked whether the order included the killing of women and children. Those present later gave differing accounts of Medina’s response. Some, including platoon leaders, testified that the orders, as they understood them, were to kill all VC and North Vietnamese combatants and “suspects” (including women and children, as well as all animals), to burn the village, and pollute the wells. He was quoted as saying, “They’re all VC, now go and get them”, and was heard to reply to the question “Who is my enemy?”, by saying, "Anybody that was running from us, hiding from us, or appeared to be the enemy. . . .

At Calley’s trial, one defense witness testified that he remembered Medina instructing to destroy everything in the village that was “walking, crawling or growling”.

Charlie Company was to enter the village of Sơn Mỹ spearheaded by 1st Platoon, engage the enemy, and flush them out. The other two companies from TF Barker were ordered to secure the area and provide support if needed. The area was designated a free fire zone, where American forces were allowed to deploy artillery and air strikes in populated areas, without consideration of risk to civilian or non-combatant lives. Varnado Simpson, a rifleman in Charlie Company, said, “We were told to leave nothing standing. We did what we were told, regardless of whether they were civilians.”

Yes a lot of wrong there and the commanders are more at fault then calley but…

Once kids start getting targeted who have nothing to do with the war, then it’s a war crime in my opinion. To a lesser extent civilians as well as they are not combatants. It’s unconscionable

Nothing’s changed. Our bullets, bombs, and moral support are still slaughtering children.

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If you take God as a person who once committed gruesome murders who now considers himself to be reformed … perhaps he cannot allow himself to remember the evils at his hands because he is worried the demon within may again one day be released because he cannot forgive himself because the evil is great and the only path to forgiveness is denial as he cannot forgive his actions

Amazing how these kinds of evil acts get set up and justified. Sad how it continues in the world today too. Bit of a cop out but my solution to this problem in the world is to not think about it.

I saw an interview with a My Lai survivor: a little girl who hid under the dead bodies of her family. She looked away as she spoke and the interviewer asked why. She replied that there is no such thing as humanity when she remembers so she cannot look any person in the eye.

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Read the wiki on the My Lai massacre . Now assuming that it is entirely accurate here there were NO VC in those hamlets. The ONLY American casualty was a GI who shot himself in the foot. What is wrong is that soldiers were given orders and carried out the orders to kill everything in sight, men , women and children and animals and they did just that. The leaders were ultimately the most responsible but the soldiers carrying out such an order are not excused.

We will let GOD sort that mess out as to who did what , who was guilty of what. We here do not know and the ones that participated know but won’t tell.

War is a major major major affliction of mankind, as is famine and a whole host of other evils visited upon mankind. Difference is war is inflicted upon man by man. While famine and disease and volcanic eruptions and earthquakes and tidal waves are NOT done by man upon man.

War is evil, and it has been with us since before there was time.

There is a difference though in how we fight war on a personal level should one be drafted to war as a soldier.

The ones landing on the beach in France on D Day facing combatants who are keen on killing you are fighting a soldiers war. Combatant to combatant.

The soldier who was sent to a Vietnamese village to rout out VC insurgents believed to be hiding there and given orders to kill everyone and everything is not excused even though he has his orders. He is not a soldier when he shoots unarmed women and children , when he sets fire to their homes and waits outside for them to flee and shoots them down with machineguns and grenades. When he shoots unarmed people point blank. When he rapes , along with his buddies women and young girls he finds AND also then butchers them. When he mows down women who used their bodies to shield their children , and sees children who have not died and who are running away and mows them down with machine guns and grenades.
He is no longer a soldier , he is a murderer, a rapist , a sadist. He is not a soldier.

Hiroshima was a crime, Nagasaki was a crime . The carpet bombing of London was a crime. Bombing any civilian targets is a crime. Because it is not combatant to combatant. It means killing many civilians. Pearl Harbor was a criminal act. The US justified it’s atomic bombing on the premise that the Japanese would fight to the last man when the US invades Japan as it planned to do. And it was theorized that the sacrifice of two cities full of civilians (Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not military targets) would demoralize the enemy into surrender. Which is exactly what happened.

Hundreds of thousands of people were killed unlawfully. Has the US apologized for the bombs? I don’t remember such. But it should.

Japans leaders committed many many atrocities against innocents in China and elsewhere.

Hitler’s Germany inflicted cruelty upon millions. Millions of Russians and Germans and others died.

Many suffered a terrible and unjust death.

I do think there is a difference between dropping bombs on civilian targets and bayonetting and shooting point blank unarmed women and children though. Dropping the bomb you don’t know who you are killing, you just know people are going to die. However seeing with your own eyes and doing with your own hands blowing the people apart in front of you who are unarmed and are women and children carries a higher level of depravity in my simple thinking. However I will leave to the Higher Power to decide if there is a difference and how to judge the such.

What is happening in Gaza today is beyond horror, the stories are just completely disheartening. I think the offensive must stop today, right now.

Israel is basically saying all palestinians are responsible for the attacks on Israel and therefore can be exterminated like Hitler exterminated the jews.
They are not saying that but they are killing everyone they can. Seems casualty figures are something like 2/3 are women and children. Israel is bombing hospitals, not allowing in trucks with basic necessities.

They are basically saying we will rout the land of all and any terrorists and everyone who happens to be there, that is sad but too bad.

They can’t succeed in routing all the terrorists without killing most anyone still alive in Palestine and the extermination of near everyone in Palestine is unjust and wrong and must stop.
Israel was right to bring the terror the palestinians inflicted upon Israel back to Palestine, but there is a point where revenge has been served.

Israel is not putting Palestinians on trains and taking them to concentration camps and gas chambers so there is no systematic eradication of a people but they are bombing whole neighborhoods into rubble.

Not too long in the distant future hoofs are beating down and the much feared 4 horsemen of the apocalypse may be nearing. Something we don’t want to see for many Millenia to come

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For something so evil, we seem to find it so necessary that we haven’t thrown it away.

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