Northern Taiwan (SAR)

Politics Taiwan Politics
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The student protests inside and around the Legislative Yuan has brought to light the reality of the impending Chinese reconquering of the island of Formosa. Those in support use the word ‘reunification’, but this word is insulting to those of us who seek a free, sovereign Taiwan.

Lovers reunite, tyrants conquer.

In situations like these, it is wise to look around at the borders and and lines we humans have drawn to make up the 200+ countries of this world. One common thread exists with all, and that is that people who are forced to live under a false flag create tension, rebellion and poverty.

Without further ado, I present to you: Northern Taiwan (SAR):

The DMZ area is essentially Miaoli County. It is the Xueshan Range that creates the natural border and lends itself to this border. It is also the current political buffer zone between Green and Blue. The western border is simply the Yilan County line.

You’ll notice Kimmen and Matzu are left to the blue zone.

Here is the geomap version: (the borders are far from perfect)

This scenario should seem very familiar to the English speaking Europeans on this site.

IMHO, if the foreign invaders (the ROC) continue to insist on the path they are taking, I leave it to the south, the real Taiwanese, to stand up and fight for their freedom and their nation. Militarily this would be an easy transition. Nearly all the bases are in my hypothetical ‘Republic of Taiwan’ region.

All the CCP really wants to do is crush the ROC and tear down all that resembles CKS. This would give them victory in the civil war and both sides walk away from this 60+ year foolishness that is: Taiwan Status Quo

The way this politically plays out is unknown. My guess would be through a military coup when the KMT politicians go past the point of no return. Already the military is at odds with President Ma.
Again, where, when, and how is all for the future to decide.

It could also be introduced in a political arena, but my guess is a slow creation of this split island idea is not possible, it has to be swift, and well executed. It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.

any thoughts?

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Uh, that isn’t really helping the situation.

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Additionally, I don’t think you are right about the CCP’s motives, especially these days. They have been taking somewhat Orwellian steps to rehabilitate CKS, obviously as a prelude to annexing Taiwan and finally putting an end to the civil war:
slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2 … rival.html

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(1)
are you proposing some sort of ethnic cleansing? otherwise,
how are you going to deal with people in the north who are
unwilling to be reunited with China?

(2)
Will the PLA 2nd Artillery build missile bases in this new
Northern Taiwan SAR?(short range surface to air, long
range conventional and nuclear)

(3)
will citizens of Republic of Taiwan be allowed to visit
Northern Taiwan SAR visa-free? That is very important!

(4)
can the United States have a consulate in the new SAR?

(5)
who takes over the current Taiwan military? Are they to
be divided between the SAR and Republic of Taiwan?

(6)
most unfortunate initials… TSAR? (Taiwan SAR)
At least HKSAR sounds cool, somewhat)

(7)
can the new Republic of Taiwan adpot the US Dollar
as its official currency?

(8)
can current Taiwanese citizens hold dual citizenship
in the new SAR as well as Republic of Taiwan?

(9)

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Your DMZ could be the Hakka Homeland. Also, consider turning all of the east coast and Great Central Range into a sovereign aboriginal reserve.

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For sure, stratifying Taiwan has never been suggested, but I find it strange that anyone thinks it is strange.

Taiwan is filled with a majority of people who don’t want to live in Taiwan, SAR. Yet, they will have no choice under the current state of things. China knows the Taiwanese are a proud people, but they also know they love their money and stuff. The majority of them live and prosper in the north. They vote their wallet, not their conscience. With the rise of China in the past 30 years, they’ve exploited their vast impoverished reserves to become a cash rich bully, dead-set on becoming a feared regional power. Something they have never, ever been.

But China is lazy and untalented. They don’t understand machizmo, and the only thing that drives their decisions is money. They explode shit, beat on it and light it on fire to try and get more. For themselves. Sounds like Taiwan to me.

Their original desire to recoup Taiwan is to ‘make right’ the embarrassing loss to the Japanese in the 1st war, and the embarrassing squander (at the hands of the Americans and CKS) in the 2nd. But this is 70 years later, and China and Taiwan have entered the 21st century shackled to their own ‘outdated’ 20th century policies.

China peruses Taiwan because that’s what they’re supposed to do.

Taiwan fends them off because that’s what they’re supposed to do.

China won’t quit because that looks weak. Taiwan won’t quit because that makes them look week. So the beat goes on and on.

Northern Taiwan, SAR is a means to and end. Northern Taiwan and the Republic of Taiwan will be created through military strategy, and peace will be negotiated quickly. the ROT will retain their military , but will remain friendly and neutral with their northern neighbors. China will treat NT as a SAR. allowing for self identity and such (like HK), but will be free to create their own military presence.

The ROT will posses a military that allows for defense, and will be the Switzerland of Asia.

Residents of Northern Taiwan will retain their property rights and such, just like the people of HK did in 1997. HSR and other modes of transportation will flow freely, as will trade and commerce. They will treat each other as small neighboring countries in Europe do. They might even have a state-to-state style existence like the USA. Who knows?

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I think it’s a great idea.

The SAR will be flooded by Taiwanese from down South looking for good jobs.
Also, I am against dual citizenship: they wanted their Republic of Taiwan - why als hold a Chinese passport?

Also please make sure all these moaning and complaining pro-DPP foreigners will be re-settled in the Republic of Taiwan.
I am sure there Republic of Taiwan will be free of any Hoklo chauvinism and welcome whitey :roflmao:

Let them have their banana republic. A week into independence they will be bankrupt anyways.

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Moaning and complaining about democracy, self-determination and all that stuff! What are you, an autocrat?

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I don’t think the economy will change all that much. People will move, but for political allegiance, not dollars. The borders I draw are a means to an end, not a retreat to another stalemate. Free trade will flow and prosperity will be in everyone’s interest.

the ROT will not be a puppet of the west. It can’t be. in fact, the division of this island represents a piece in the puzzle that is the end of ‘Cold War Asia’. Shared islands and peninsulas exist all over Asia, very peacefully. (Unfortunately, i don’t have a rosy new map that ends the Korean Peninsula’s troubles anytime soon. sorry.)

The ROT will have a right to defend its borders, but without an imminent threat from China, will find overspending on defense to be a waste of resources.

Remember, the British shared, negotiated and skirmished without a shot fired over the entire American / British North American Settlement (Canada) border for nearly 100 years. OK, ok, the War of 1812 had a bunch of shots, but this only had a little to do with the border.

I’ll be willing to be the foreigner population, not scared off by the military scare that begins this process, will prefer Taipei. In fact, China will treat Northern Taiwan as a place for the elite of China. Those who want to escape the smog and malaise of Shanghai and Beijing will relocate to the ‘beautiful island’. No one hates filthy classless peasant mainlanders like mainlanders with money. Northern Taiwan, SAR creates a new place for the successful and ruling class to live their lives. They’ll run their factories in China like the Taiwanese do now.

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[quote=“hsinhai78”]I think it’s a great idea.

The SAR will be flooded by Taiwanese from down South looking for [strike]good jobs[/strike].
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Crap, low-paying jobs vacated by Chinese nationalists escaping to America and everywhere else.

Thirty-thousand NT per month with a Masters Degree from a Taiwanese university, or even from Harvard, if you come home and are not politically connected.

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[quote=“hsinhai78”]I think it’s a great idea.

The SAR will be flooded by Taiwanese from down South looking for good jobs.
Also, I am against dual citizenship: they wanted their Republic of Taiwan - why als hold a Chinese passport?

Also please make sure all these moaning and complaining pro-DPP foreigners will be re-settled in the Republic of Taiwan.
I am sure there Republic of Taiwan will be free of any Hoklo chauvinism and welcome whitey :roflmao:

Let them have their banana republic. A week into independence they will be bankrupt anyways.[/quote]

Your attitude towards free opinions and how to deal with people who freely express them is probably the main reason why so many people object China in the first place.

Whatever, start relocating people whose opinions you don’t like. Reimburse them for their real-estate according to locale value in Euro or US$.

Have your Sunday afternoons public executions at Chian kai Sheck memorial park or below Taipei 101, but and here is the “but” stay away from the fruit, fish and vegetables we enjoy in the south.

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[quote=“Hamletintaiwan”]

Whatever, start relocating people whose opinions you don’t like. Reimburse them for their real-estate according to locale value in Euro or US$.
.[/quote]

after WWII ended, my grandparents got shit when millions of Germans were
forcibly removed from land that their families have live on for centuries.
well… at least they were the “lucky” ones. nearly a million German citizens
died during the forced movement… it was really just ethnic cleansing, but
nobody wanted to use that phrase.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and … E2%80%9350

history has a tendency to repeat itself all over the world. depending on
which side wins the Taiwan SAR or Republic of Taiwan, perhaps they can
commence a forced relocation of all Chinese population back to the
mainland. (anyone who moved to Taiwan after 1945 or whose parents
moved to Taiwan after 1945)

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[quote=“Charlie Phillips”][quote=“hsinhai78”]I think it’s a great idea.

The SAR will be flooded by Taiwanese from down South looking for [strike]good jobs[/strike].
[/quote]

Crap, low-paying jobs vacated by Chinese nationalists escaping to America and everywhere else.

Thirty-thousand NT per month with a Masters Degree from a Taiwanese university, or even from Harvard, if you come home and are not politically connected.[/quote]

Are we building a time machine back to the nineties?

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As a KMT and ROC supporter, I find this partition of Taiwan and sell-out to mainland China insulting to Taiwan’s dignity!

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I imagine the Chinese will also find it insulting. They ordered a sundae and only got the cherry. (Northern Taiwan SAR being the cherry)

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This all ignores the fact that no country in the world would recognize a Republic of Taiwan.

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I thought the OP’s point was that China would get Northern Taiwan SAR in exchange for recognizing Republic of Taiwan?

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Because…?

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For the same reason nobody on earth would recognize a Commonwealth of First Nations or a United States of Native Americans.

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I imagine the Chinese will also find it insulting. They ordered a sundae and only got the cherry. (Northern Taiwan SAR being the cherry)

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The cherry is the best part… giggity giggity goo.