PM Kevin Rudd - Oz rejoins the modern world

Just back from an extended business stint in China where to my surprise the follow up to my reply of where you from inevitably drew positive comments about Lu Kewen (Oz prime minister Kevin Rudd’s Chinese name). It didn’t end there, as also invariably most people made the immediate connection with how much better Rudd is relative to Howard. A common rationale for this was a bit wobbly - Rudd is pro-China, Howard is an American gou tui (dog leg, or arse licker, in effect). Indeed the awareness of the Australian political environment, aside from the US reference, was astonishing.

Frankly I have little idea of Rudd, or what he’s doing domestically, but it does seem to me at least that this is the sort of projection Australia needs to make into the region. Let’s not forget that Rudd has managed to attain this popularity while delivering a critical speech on China’s human rights (the subject of his Australian National University Honours thesis under Pierre Ryckmans - look him up, also his pen name, Simon Leys*) at Peking University, which focussed broadly and specifically on Tibet. The drafting of that speech was aided by Geremie Barme (look him up too), by the way. A fine stable of references in my book.

It took way too long, but Howard’s demise now looks like it was worth waiting for.

HG

  • Very good ploemic essayist, especially critical on China when many China studies folks were left leaning and seemingly blind to what was really going on. See this essay, for example.

** Geremie Barme is an academic at the ANU. He has written a long list of great reading on China, but perhaps outside academia is best known for his work on Gate of Heavenly Peace, the documentary on Tiananmen by the Long Bow group and Morning Sun, a documentary about the Cultural revolution. Here’s an article by Geremie on Rudd.

Is it worth noting here that Kevin Rudd can speak pretty fluent mandarin? Lots of videos on youtube of him doing that.

Doh! Umm, yes. Thanks. That’s somethng else people kept commenting on in China.
HG

There is also a video of him picking his ear and eating it. What other poor hygiene habits did he pick up in Beijing?
youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8

An endearing quality in that particular quarter of the world, don’t forget. If he can also fart and belch on demand, then the man’s a wax eating, digestive displaying genius!

HG

Xiao Lu seems geniune HG - I won’t say he’s the “real deal” just yet, as that implies he can perform and it’s still early days in the Rudd govt. But he actually believes what he’s talking about. He’s also surrounded by people who are similarly geniune - Swan, Smith, Garret, Wong. It feels good not to have a bunch of liars in charge.

That’s right, he does seem honest. What a pleasant change!

One of the things I’m most hopeful about Rudd, is his ability to leverage Australia’s trade relationship with China to also offer criticism. He’s done that already and it hasn’t harmed Australia in any way, in fact judging by the comments I heard, it has further endeared Rudd in the public and one suspects the PRC government’s eyes.

A criticism I had of Howard was his government’s gutless pandering to China. As anyone who’s ever bought a box of binlang knows, you don’t get anywhere in this part of the world when doing business by rolling over and offering your tummy for a pat. There’s no skill in knowing that alone, indeed the real art is knowing how far you can and cannot go. Howard gave China what they wanted, but looked weak and frankly I believe they rightly despised him for it.

I will be very interested to see what approach Rudd takes regarding Taiwan. With Ma in power, that should be a very easy area to improve upon.

HG

Don’t be so hard on Howard. I’d still take him and Downer over the current lot. The Liberals were excellent stewards of the economy. Furthermore, compared with a lot of Western countries, they were also very successful in attracting the best type of immigrants to the country. This article in Canada’s Globe and Mail commends Australia for their strength in attracting the best type of immigrant :bravo: I hope governments of other countries can learn from their foresight. With so many businesses crying out for skilled labor, it seems like the Harper government is going to adopt some of these changes. Australia did almost a decade ago. I’m not sure if Rudd and his team have the same foresight.

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damn that’s a long url. screws up the whole page.

rudd’s got a lot of ground to make up, and I think he’s doing just fine.

may make Australia a place worth going back to.

[quote=“urodacus”]damn that’s a long url. screws up the whole page.

rudd’s got a lot of ground to make up, and I think he’s doing just fine.

may make Australia a place worth going back to.[/quote]

Howard attracted the very best of migrants? Does that mean white? Meanwhile, he made anywhere else in the world attractive to one million of his own people, yes that means 1/20th of the Australian population resides offshore these days. I guess those attractive migrants have had a field day filling the jobs we left behind as we fled Howard’s fuck up.

As for Howard’s economic miracle, let’s just say that all boats rise when the tide comes in. Howard was extremely fortunate to reign in a period when all the global economic forces shone on Australia, led in no small measure by China’s rapacious hunger for resources.

Howard’s only legacy is the dividing of a nation, of encouraging small mindedness and hate. History will look very poorly on that fuckwit. Mark my words, it is already being written.

HG

What an ear-picking moron. You’d think that living as a hobo in a car as a teenager with his family would have installed a dose of “realism” into his life. He states his opposition to nukes but sells uranium to China and Russia? :unamused:

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i agree with the comment (not the ear picking one) that it’s a bit stupid to sell uranium to one’s potential enemies. especially as russia and china have their own stocks and ores. even if there are wonderful safeguards over the use of said uranium, and they are all upheld in good faith (however unlikely or unusual that may be) and not one atom of it goes into a bomb that can potentially be thrown back at us, or at our allies, it still allows those countries to divert OTHER uranium supplies that would have been used in the power generation industry into the weapon side of things, not to mention the increased likelihood of uranium falling into unwanted hands which is an inevitable consequence of there being more of it hanging around.

in a world of increasing resource insecurity and uncertainty of supply, sometimes it makes security sense to withhold stuff rather than sell it off to the lowest bidder, especially if they are a potential future competitor, and even if there is a short term economic cost to be borne. remember, uranium has a fairly long life span, so one has to think of a long while into the future when dealing with the stuff.

Maybe, maybe not. Rudd’s push against nuclear weapons isn’t necessarily antithetical to a push to increase global nuclear power. I’m vague on this, but I did hear talk of a target to reduce the number of nuclear weapons on instant standby, or some such. These are the thousands of weapons that can be launched in minutes and are therefore the most likely to be misfired starting a nuclear holocaust. All depends how you wish to interpret his stance, really. I mean if you wanted to deliberately misrepresent the man, you’d probably come up with the sort of answer the opposition foreign minister did in the quote above, for example. Makes for pretty ordinary headline grabbing politics, though.

HG.

we have more than enough uranium in thew world to run lots and lots of extra nuclear power stations for a very long time without digin more of the crap up.

take your existing nuclear weapons, with their warheads containing 20-40 kg lumps of very pure U-235 (maybe 94-98%), and de-enrich it down to moderately enriched uranium bars (maybe 15%) using all that waste U 238 that you separated from it at great expense in the first place, and that you are either having a hard time disposing of, or are using in DU weaponry, which is also highly controversial. this way you’d get a lot of extra fuel, and some way of usefully disposing of two unwanted factors from the weapons fuel cycle.

of course, getting them off the standby button is a good first step in reducing the threat of nuclear weapons being used, but actually decommissioning the weapons is needed too. and how about collecting all that leaking uranium from the hulks of the old Russian nuclear fleet rusting away in Minsk, and your old rotting missiles in silos across siberia, Mr Putin/Medvedev? or is that too hard to ask?

Huang: Fantastic essay by Simon Leys. Great points, well written. Loved it. Thanks.

Cheers, Guy.

By the way, the author is Pierre Ryckmans, Simon Leys is his pen name. There are collections of his essays about, under both names, and they really are worth a look at.

HG

Huang: Thanks. I’ll check them out later. It’s sad to say this, but I actually get excited when I read something that’s well written. A lot of what passes for academic or journalistic writing is full of bad English. My English isn’t bad, but I always want to read someone whose English is even better. Partly, it’s for the joy of seeing the language handled so artfully, and partly it’s so I’ll improve my own.

I have to say I am VERY, VERY happy that Howard got such a well deserved loss in the last election. For me for the most part HGC summed it up when he said

[quote]Howard attracted the very best of migrants? Does that mean white? Meanwhile, he made anywhere else in the world attractive to one million of his own people, yes that means 1/20th of the Australian population resides offshore these days. I guess those attractive migrants have had a field day filling the jobs we left behind as we fled Howard’s fuck up.

As for Howard’s economic miracle, let’s just say that all boats rise when the tide comes in. Howard was extremely fortunate to reign in a period when all the global economic forces shone on Australia, led in no small measure by China’s rapacious hunger for resources.

Howard’s only legacy is the dividing of a nation, of encouraging small mindedness and hate. History will look very poorly on that fuckwit. Mark my words, it is already being written.
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That said two things have really annoyed me about Rudd to date. One is his accent when talking Chinese. OK, I admit it is bloody good but his BeiJing accent gets on my nerves. It seems like the Chinese language speaking equivalent of meeting a Taiwanese person who speaks English very well but with an accent that sounds like they are trying to imitate the queen.
The other thing that REALLY does bother me about Rudd and worries me that he is taking us out of
the modern world is his “faith” in Christianity. ie I take this to mean faith in virgin births, all the animals in the world being crowded onto one boat etc. To my brain cell this is a “faith” that does not belong in the modern world.
Now, remember he is an Aussie PM not an American president. Christian “faith” is not a pre-requisite to getting elected. Hawke who is openly agnostic is proof of this. Now that I have said this, I have no doubt offended lots of people but anyway my 2 cents on it.

Mate, the Beijing accent is “proper” Chinese to the rest of the world. Don’t be too hard. Mind you, I still struggle with “proper” Mandarin accents. I have to really listen.

As for his Christianity, I think it kind of odd. Then again, Pierre Ryckmans is a Catholic, has become even more so in later life.

From the wiki, cos I really know very little about the man.

[quote]Religious views
Rudd and his family attend the Anglican church of St John the Baptist in Bulimba in his electorate. Although raised a Roman Catholic, Rudd began attending Anglican services in the 1980s with his wife.[4] Like John Howard, Rudd has addressed congregations of the Hillsong Church.

Rudd is the mainstay of the parliamentary prayer group in Parliament House, Canberra. [116] He is vocal about his Christianity and has given a number of prominent interviews to the Australian religious press on the topic.[117] Rudd has defended church representatives engaging with policy debates, particularly with respect to WorkChoices legislation, climate change, global poverty, therapeutic cloning and asylum seekers.[118] In an essay in The Monthly, Rudd writes:

A Christian perspective on contemporary policy debates may not prevail. It must nonetheless be argued. And once heard, it must be weighed, together with other arguments from different philosophical traditions, in a fully contestable secular polity. A Christian perspective, informed by a social gospel or Christian socialist tradition, should not be rejected contemptuously by secular politicians as if these views are an unwelcome intrusion into the political sphere. If the churches are barred from participating in the great debates about the values that ultimately underpin our society, our economy and our polity, then we have reached a very strange place indeed.[119]

He cites Dietrich Bonhoeffer as a personal inspiration in this regard.[120]

In late January 2007, Tony Abbott - a former seminarian and federal minister for health under the coalition government - criticised Rudd’s use of Christianity in Australian politics,[121] contrasting Rudd’s public appeal to Christian values with his voting record on issues such as the introduction of the abortion-inducing drug RU486.[122]

Rudd is opposed to same-sex marriage:

I have a pretty basic view on this, as reflected in the position adopted by our party, and that is, that marriage is between a man and a woman.[123]

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Wow, opposed to same sex marriage really sucks. That doesn’t smell like a thinking Christian’s stance.

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]

Wow, opposed to same sex marriage really sucks. That doesn’t smell like a thinking Christian’s stance.

HG[/quote]

I’m more liberal than he is on that issue. I guess you can never really take the “Queensland” out of him, can you? :slight_smile: