A majority of the rebels want democracy? :eh:
So yet another despotic regime liberated by chaos! Go chaos, go!
HG
No contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power.
Give them this much: it’s more honest than packing the voter lists, roadblocks, and sham literacy tests.
I have a sense that’s soon to come.
HG
No contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power.
Give them this much: it’s more honest than packing the voter lists, roadblocks, and sham literacy tests.[/quote]
Agreed, however, none of this warrented direct involvement by outside nations. The rebels don’t need to justify their motives for rebellion. It is the involvement by outside nations where the justification gets murky.
I would say there is not necessarily a contradiction between wanting a democracy and wanting power. However, wanting power for yourself or your group is not usually a sign of democratic leanings.
Not relevant to this discussion.
There’s a really simple way to sort out power and governance. Anyone who would want either should never be allowed to have either.
And how do you “sort in” power and governance?
The best way is to simply put tight restrictions on the role of central government. It’s functions should be tightly confined to defending the country, defending the citizens from each other (rule of law) and perhaps providing infrastructure. With a very limited government the harm that can be done by any member of the government is greatly limited.
My guess is the new leader will be a Muslim “fundamentalist” that was tortured by Gaddafi forces after a rendition operation by either the UK or US. He’ll be a real fun guy to deal with!
I’m already missing Qaddafi
Victims become victimizers. Same old, same old. 
[quote=“BBC”]Former Libyan rebels are still holding about 7,000 prisoners, the United Nations says.
The detainees are being held without access to legal process because the police and courts are not functioning, and some may have been tortured.
Many are sub-Saharan Africans suspected of being mercenaries hired by the Gaddafi regime.[/quote]
Strange all of this Libya business.
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I am re-examining the UN Resolution vis-a-vis those 17 issued prior to the Iraq War. Was international law broken here? And at the very minimum, where is the frenzied discussion of the same? Why was it okay for UK, France and Italy to act unilaterally. What countries were in their coalition of the willing? Were there Parliamentary votes or congressional votes in the key nations to authorize the action? If so, when and where?
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Where were the worldwide protests regarding this obviously blood for oil effort? How many hundreds of thousands massed in cities all over the world to protest and to fight for peace? How many innocent victims were killed? Is there a Libya Body Count?
Libyans storm transitional government headquarters…
Its not easy to let go of the revolution…
[quote]Hundreds of angry Libyans on Saturday stormed the transitional government’s headquarters in the eastern city of Benghazi, carting off computers, chairs, and desks while the country’s interim leader was still holed up in the building… Some of the protesters pitched tents weeks ago outside the NTC’s headquarters to protest a set of election laws they say were drafted by the interim leaders without consulting the public.
“The election laws have not been approved by thousands of Libyans and do not honor those who died for our freedom,” said Tamer al-Jahani, a lawyer taking part in the protest. “We don’t want to replace one tyrant with another.”[/quote]
Where are the Turks?
Hmmm…I didn’t know the OWS crowd was active in Libya… 
[quote=“Tigerman”]
Libyans storm transitional government headquarters…
Its not easy to let go of the revolution…
[quote]Hundreds of angry Libyans on Saturday stormed the transitional government’s headquarters in the eastern city of Benghazi, carting off computers, chairs, and desks while the country’s interim leader was still holed up in the building… Some of the protesters pitched tents weeks ago outside the NTC’s headquarters to protest a set of election laws they say were drafted by the interim leaders without consulting the public.
“The election laws have not been approved by thousands of Libyans and do not honor those who died for our freedom,” said Tamer al-Jahani, a lawyer taking part in the protest. “We don’t want to replace one tyrant with another.”[/quote]
Where are the Turks?[/quote]We’re they supposed to be occupying? Policing?
cute cartoon…now back to the topic of the thread - Libya:
As predicted, the door has been opened for the radical Islamists to fill the vacuum created.
Libyan Islamists rally to demand sharia-based law
“Hundreds of Libyan Islamists rallied on Friday to demand that Muslim sharia law inspire legislation in what organizers called a response to the emergence of secular political parties after the fall of Muammar Gaddafi’s dictatorship last year.”
“The Islamist demonstrators encompassed members of the conservative Muslim Brotherhood and harder-line Salafis, who both back strict versions of Islam, and relative moderates who prefer a civil state simply inspired by sharia.”
Barry Soetero…making the world safe for Sharia Law one country at a time… 
[quote=“fred smith”]Strange all of this Libya business.
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I am re-examining the UN Resolution vis-a-vis those 17 issued prior to the Iraq War. Was international law broken here? And at the very minimum, where is the frenzied discussion of the same? Why was it okay for UK, France and Italy to act unilaterally. What countries were in their coalition of the willing? Were there Parliamentary votes or congressional votes in the key nations to authorize the action? If so, when and where?
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Where were the worldwide protests regarding this obviously blood for oil effort? How many hundreds of thousands massed in cities all over the world to protest and to fight for peace? How many innocent victims were killed? Is there a Libya Body Count?[/quote]
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It was a UN Security Council decision AUTHORIZING NATO to take on Air Strikes against Libya, which is essentially what NATO did. US does not need to go to congress for this conflict due to the War Powers Act granting the President (as he is commander in chief of all armed forces) 60 days to land troops, kill everybody and pack up and leave.
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Libya’s oil production has nothing on Iraq, and the only oil they produced were sweet crude that’s mostly exported to Europe, so we see the double standards of euro’s when it comes to involvement of conflicts. There isn’t a Libya body count project because nobody cares about some arabs shooting other arabs, but boy if theres a white guy involved you can bet your ass there’ll be one.