Hsieh will need Su to make an effective ticket. Other than that Ma is the sure winner against any other ticket…pending he survives the allegations, which shouldn’t be too much of a problem for the telfon wok of Taiwan. 
how can he survive allegations he already admitted? his only chance is what the KMT did by going after a whole bunch of ex-kmters who also put their hands in the cookie-jar, to try to make it as an historical fact… like CKS killed millions and was absolved because, hey, Mao did it, Stalin did it, Hitler did it, … same goes with traffic regulations in Taiwan… if nobody is abiding, why should there be fines for just a few… or why there are regulations at all?
It’s Taiwan. The current President and VP are convicted criminals. The Taike on Taiwan will have more respect of Ma if he’s convicted. You have to understand the value system on Taiwan, as long as your grandson is not a US citizen, everything else can be forgiven. 
Thank goodness Taiwan isn’t South Korea. You see the recent news. They are planning on taking property away from families of know Japanese collaborators. Could you imagine that happening on Taiwan. LTH would be a pauper. CSB wife would not only have to fight off the Sogo scandal but her families Japanese gained wealth.
They could take away the properties from all the KMT collaborators… that would be a bigger amount of cash in for the government…
Weren’t the top 4 DPP officials part of the KMT.
I guess Taiwan will be getting CSB’s money soon or later.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
The current President and VP are convicted criminals. [/quote]
That is disingenous, to put it mildly. As an American citizen, you should be familiar with Henry David Thoreau and Civil Disobedience. When he was sitting in a jail cell for refusing to answer the call to draft for the Mexican-American War, some of his friends asked him why he was sitting in jail when he could easily set himself free by supporting his government. Thoreau’s retort was, “The shame is on you, that you are not in this jail cell with me.”
Fighting against a corrupt fascist regime is not a crime. Technically it may be under the government’s laws, but there are higher laws than that of governments. I can’t believe in the 21st century I am having to explain the Rights of Man (codified in the 18th century) to someone like you.
According to your logic, Gandhi and Martin Luther King were convicted criminals. Technically, they were, as they both served jail time. Breaking unjust laws is no crime.
Quentin,
You’re overstating the situation on Taiwan at the time. Taiwan had no active military campaigns. The compulsory military obligation is an annoyance for most, no real risk to life or limb.
Care to do a case study for Rights of a Civil Society. Currently Taiwan observes Rule of Man for everyone, right down the street vendor that could care less for Rule of Law.
Fight against the KMT…don’t make me laugh. All those idiot leaders in the DPP were all in the KMT. Even that nut job SMT contemplated running on the KMT ticket.
One should think about the motivation behind The Kaoxiong incident, when the KMT already sanctioned independents to run for LY seats at the time. That’s was the cause of VP Lu conviction.
One should think about libel issues and printing an apology ordered by the court, when considering CSB conviction.
Fight the KMT with wimps like these. The CCP at least really fought at one time. To try to paint the DPP as a warrior party that defends the Taiwanese is a joke in this day and age.
These idiots have no LP, once the PRC or USA says something directly contrary they just dem-dem and lose all their wind in bluster.
AC,
Back when the President was in jail, the ROC was a thuggish regime, killing dissidents in the US and at home.
The island was under martial law, press freedom or even the establishment of newspapers was abolished, and the people corageous enough to protest this often ended up either in jail on trumped up charges, or dead.
Stop pretending otherwise, and try to at least get a shaky grasp of the history of Taiwan.
shouldn’t be too much, compared to the real head guys from the KMT (from CKS to Lien)…
[quote=“Mr He”]AC,
Back when the President was in jail, the ROC was a thuggish regime, killing dissidents in the US and at home.
The island was under martial law, press freedom or even the establishment of newspapers was abolished, and the people corageous enough to protest this often ended up either in jail on trumped up charges, or dead.
Stop pretending otherwise, and try to at least get a shaky grasp of the history of Taiwan.[/quote]
In CSB case martial law was lifted 6 months after he went to prison. It was the tail end of the period which was relatively lax compared to martial law in the 50’s and 60’s.
CSB could have continued publishing his rag and stay out of prison if he just published an apology to Elmer Feng for previously libel article against him, as the court ordered him to when he lost the case.
The guy is a wussy and wouldn’t know international politics if it came up and bit him in the arse.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
In CSB case martial law was lifted 6 months after he went to prison. It was the tail end of the period which was relatively lax compared to martial law in the 50’s and 60’s.[/quote]
Lucky for him, then, as he would have been shot if he had been publishing his magazine in the 1950’s.
However that does not change the fact that it was a thuggish regime, imprisoning people on trumped-up charges.
In other words, try again AC.
How was CSB treated in a thuggish manner? The case was clear cut. CSB published an article against Elmer Fung. Elmer Fung takes him to court on libel charges. Court rules in Elmer’s favor and orders CSB to print an apology in his magazine. CSB refuses the court order and has to goto jail.
Seems pretty tame. Non-violent resolution between two parties by rule of law.
You want to talk about shady use of the ROC court system then just follow CSB retribution case against Elmer Fung. Even the victim in this case states they are not a victim, yet the CSB prosecution team plunges ahead with the case.
no one said he was treated in a thuggish manner - the regime was thuggish. And remember, at that time, Elmer Fung was secretary of his Royal Majesty Chiang the 2nd…
But CSB accusations against Elmer Fung were about plagarism, because Elmer was a philosophy professor at the time as well.
For all you know CSB could have continued to be critical of the KMT, like Li Ao of the same era. However, where Li Ao is a respected member of the intellectual community when it comes to his iconoclast arguments. CSB was just writing random attacks against anyone who had a greater position than him.
:roflmao: Love it! One of your best yet, ac.