Softball UDN editorial today: focustaiwan.tw/news/awps/201409240025.aspx
[quote=“hsinhai78”]
…and maybe there are many women in Taiwan who initially like to be bought with some trip to Japan, fancy restaurant dates at ATT4FUN or a designer bag from Bellavita across the street. The local dating culture is messed up on so many levels - then add some frustration on either side because progress is not as desired and that’s how quickly you have a murder case.[/quote]
This.
obviously anyone crazy enough to kill someone over this is just wrong in the head but i am still curious as to what signs there were that he could do such a thing. stakes are pretty high here when it comes to relationships and guys can act quite …weird.
Don’t these guys know about escorts/message parlors/ktv girls?
I’m no fan of Confucianism, but let’s be fair here. This same sort of thing goes on in other cultures.
Growing up in darkest Massachusetts, I once had a neighbor who chopped up his live-in girfriend and put her in garbage bags. He wasn’t asian, just an unpleasant person.
Second case this week, in Yiayi.
[quote=“NonTocareLeTete”]
Yeah the honorable thing is to get yourself some help before you kill anyone.[/quote]
I believe you mean “get some help to kill someone”, as recent events clearly exemplify.
Or psycho xian sheng?
None of the above. Probably psycho shaonian (少年) makes the most sense.
Wouldn’t that be unisex though? How would you emphasize the fact that it’s a guy not a girl?
Wouldn’t that be unisex though? How would you emphasize the fact that it’s a guy not a girl?[/quote]
In Chinese (and Japanese, while we are at it) “male” is the default meaning here (you are not surprised, are you? 
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少年 is always young men; the female equivalent is 少女. Yes, it’s somewhat sexist. However, the English word youth (n.) is, by its dictionary definition, also exclusive of the female gender.
Of course, in some places some definitions are changing…
[quote=“hsinhai78”][quote=“antarcticbeech”]I’ve just had this murder case discussed in one of my adult classes. According to one student, it’s being reported that the guy borrowed NT$100,000 from his parents to pay for them both to travel to Japan, under the expectation of some kind of sexual relationship. On the trip he attempted to take nude photographs and when she slapped the camera away he hit her, which is why she wanted to break up with him.
Is is true? I have no idea. But all of the male students in my class seemed to think the guy was following standard operating procedure, at least initially, in that women are objects to be bought. I guess no one explained to this particular guy what to do when a girl ‘breaches contract’.
Perhaps someone should introduce the concept of being a well-adjusted adult. Even more important than good grades! 
To turn your children into well-adjusted adults you simply allow them to have unstructured play with other children. Then they will learn to socialize!
Yeah, maybe a hard sell, that one.[/quote]
…and maybe there are many women in Taiwan who initially like to be bought with some trip to Japan, fancy restaurant dates at ATT4FUN or a designer bag from Bellavita across the street. The local dating culture is messed up on so many levels - then add some frustration on either side because progress is not as desired and that’s how quickly you have a murder case.[/quote]
Agreed. You always see these women flaunting their trips to Bali, Thailand, Japan, Europe, etc or the trinkets and handbags or fancy dinners and you wonder how they are paying for all of these things. I can say that I personally know of a few golddiggers and they honestly have absolutely no shame in their ability to manipulate and convince the hearts of men into buying them these lavish gifts or taking them out for a 4 day getaway. Some putout. Others don’t.
Its disgusting and terrible for the boy to slash the girl 40+ times. And he DID try to kill himself afterwards. I believe he tried to slash his own neck, but when the knife pierced his skin, the pussy was probably thinking he didn’t know it was hurt as much and he chicken’d out. Anyways, while the boy is clearly at fault for committing this ugly crime, AGAIN, you have to ask yourself. Did the girl lead him on? Did the girl pretend like she liked him knowing he would spend all that money taking her to Japan and then reject him when it was time to put out? Even if she did, I’m not saying she deserved to die, but maybe these golddiggers will think twice about manipulating men into getting what they want from now on?
Or at least think twice about latching onto someone who must surely have shown signs of being a nutter.
Hmmmm sometimes you cant really tell.
Like someone mentioned earlier. The kid looks like any other goodie two shoes.
The guy on the MRT didn’t look like he was capable of going on a killing spree either.
[quote=“Leftywang81”][quote=“hsinhai78”][quote=“antarcticbeech”]I’ve just had this murder case discussed in one of my adult classes. According to one student, it’s being reported that the guy borrowed NT$100,000 from his parents to pay for them both to travel to Japan, under the expectation of some kind of sexual relationship. On the trip he attempted to take nude photographs and when she slapped the camera away he hit her, which is why she wanted to break up with him.
Is is true? I have no idea. But all of the male students in my class seemed to think the guy was following standard operating procedure, at least initially, in that women are objects to be bought. I guess no one explained to this particular guy what to do when a girl ‘breaches contract’.
Perhaps someone should introduce the concept of being a well-adjusted adult. Even more important than good grades! To turn your children into well-adjusted adults you simply allow them to have unstructured play with other children. Then they will learn to socialize!
Yeah, maybe a hard sell, that one.[/quote]
…and maybe there are many women in Taiwan who initially like to be bought with some trip to Japan, fancy restaurant dates at ATT4FUN or a designer bag from Bellavita across the street. The local dating culture is messed up on so many levels - then add some frustration on either side because progress is not as desired and that’s how quickly you have a murder case.[/quote]
Agreed. You always see these women flaunting their trips to Bali, Thailand, Japan, Europe, etc or the trinkets and handbags or fancy dinners and you wonder how they are paying for all of these things. I can say that I personally know of a few golddiggers and they honestly have absolutely no shame in their ability to manipulate and convince the hearts of men into buying them these lavish gifts or taking them out for a 4 day getaway. Some putout. Others don’t.
Its disgusting and terrible for the boy to slash the girl 40+ times. And he DID try to kill himself afterwards. I believe he tried to slash his own neck, but when the knife pierced his skin, the pussy was probably thinking he didn’t know it was hurt as much and he chicken’d out. Anyways, while the boy is clearly at fault for committing this ugly crime, AGAIN, you have to ask yourself. Did the girl lead him on? Did the girl pretend like she liked him knowing he would spend all that money taking her to Japan and then reject him when it was time to put out? Even if she did, I’m not saying she deserved to die, but maybe these golddiggers will think twice about manipulating men into getting what they want from now on?[/quote]
Lefty, are you saying she deserved that because she was a gold digger? She left her home in the South to be with this guy, they had been going steady for a while. It was way after the matters got sexual that they got bloody. he got his. But wanted to flaunt it on the Internet or have bargaining power through a picture of her naked. No one knows what he c or anyone else can do with a naked picture. So she refused and got slapped for it. Then he got really nutty. See records of his FB postings. And she did not tell him to spend over 20k on a proposal song … recorded after they broke up.
We have also talked about how the dating scene is so warped, that these attitudes of “buying” affection are prevalent -see the thread about the guy whose GF “forced” him to buy a Gold VW. I can also mention the case of the dating site that hid a mafia ring that cheated guys out of hundreds of thousands of nts by getting them girls who pretended to be engaged with them, then ran away with the loot: gifts, diamond ring, cash, etc. Inexperienced folk try to “buy security” or some power ledge by expensive gifts. Too much study, too much IQ not much EQ.
And Finley, the problem with sociopaths is that they bend so well. It is almost impossible to take a guy home these days. And they also get angry because you don’t take them home. No way to win in today’s dating scene. Sucks being single. But choosing wrong sucks even more. Know anyone nice? My ideal is a Jeremy Lin type but my age.
Yes, but that in itself is quite easy to spot. Genuine sociopaths usually display complete disregard for other people’s feelings - because they know that a certain type of person will be happily walked over. The ones that won’t be walked over just stay away, and that’s fine as far as the sociopath is concerned, because those people are of no use to him anyway.
I don’t buy the idea that certain people, without any signs whatsoever, commit outrageous crimes. School shooters, for instance, always turn out to have notebooks or scrapbooks or blogrolls about how they hate everyone and nobody listens to them - and actually they’re quite right; nobody does listen to them. Nobody is paying attention. I could be wrong, but I would have thought a gf would see enough of her bf’s moods, proclivities, or thought patterns to decide that there’s something fundamentally wrong with a guy. I dunno.
In that case it sounds like women need to be lot less tolerant of male bullshit, posturing, or neediness, and kick these types to the kerb at the earliest opportunity. Before they have an opportunity to breed.
I’m sure you’re right about “too much IQ and not enough EQ”. Those unhappy couples with skewed values are really just children playing at grownups. They have no clue how to have an adult relationship.
I think it’s hard to recognize “wrongness” in a person because most people don’t have experience with true psychopathy. Especially in a dating relationship, especially if you haven’t had much experience dating.
I dated a guy who went on to abuse in his next relationship- came close to it with me, too. The problem was that he’d been so “perfect” for the first part of our relationship. So if there was any problem, I blamed my selfish self cause he was the good one, right?
Bring sex into it, emotion is running high, there’s a bit of play with dominance and such anyways---- hard to recognize what’s crazy and what’s interesting.
Yes, but that in itself is quite easy to spot. Genuine sociopaths usually display complete disregard for other people’s feelings - because they know that a certain type of person will be happily walked over. The ones that won’t be walked over just stay away, and that’s fine as far as the sociopath is concerned, because those people are of no use to him anyway.
I don’t buy the idea that certain people, without any signs whatsoever, commit outrageous crimes. School shooters, for instance, always turn out to have notebooks or scrapbooks or blogrolls about how they hate everyone and nobody listens to them - and actually they’re quite right; nobody does listen to them. Nobody is paying attention. I could be wrong, but I would have thought a gf would see enough of her bf’s moods, proclivities, or thought patterns to decide that there’s something fundamentally wrong with a guy. I dunno.
In that case it sounds like women need to be lot less tolerant of male bullshit, posturing, or neediness, and kick these types to the kerb at the earliest opportunity. Before they have an opportunity to breed.
I’m sure you’re right about “too much IQ and not enough EQ”. Those unhappy couples with skewed values are really just children playing at grownups. They have no clue how to have an adult relationship.[/quote]
I meant blend. Typo, sorry.
There are signs indeed, agreed. But the question is: are we willing to see? Are we willing to trust our instincts and not think, maybe i could be wrong, everyone says he’s so fine, maybe I am the one in the wrong?
Plus see all the guys with teh psycho xiajies. Some love teh sexual tension of drama. for these people who probably do not know what it is to be in a relationship or worse, come from already abusive homes, the distortion is even worse. Dead girl came from a single mother home. What if she was told that very popular ditty: men are no good? and believed it? then she would look for men to prove her right.
Another case down South. The couple had been separated 5 years already. yet, the guy went into a rage when he saw the ex GF with her new boyfriend, happily surrounded by family and friends. he took to them with a machete.
A similar case in Taoyuan. GF left guy, guy couldn’t get to her so he drugged one of his female coworkers, took her to a motel, tried to kill himself and her with coal, half burned teh place, were rescued in the nick of time.