Russia invades Ukraine: General Discussion 2023

[discobot]

Without a doubt

[TT]

@stoa1984

The fate of Ukraine will be decide in the battlefield only. Great powers will decide.
Not by the so-called ‘self-determination of peoples’.

Nah, this is an oversimplification. The battlefield of the mind plays a role, if the Ukranians want to they can choose Russia (some have), or they can flee the country (some have). It is only if enough are determined enough to put their self on the line that there is someone for the US to support.

Look at Afghanistan, where great powers go to die.

[hansioux]

@stoa1984

Great powers will decide.
Not by the so-called ‘self-determination of peoples’.

That’s like saying the person with the fastest draw would decide, not by the so-called ‘laws’. I mean sure, if rules and common decency have broken down, that’s probably what happens, but is that the kind of the world you want to live in? You think we’d be here on the internet debating for not real purpose at all in the comfort of air-conditioned rooms, living aboard for a decent paying job if that’s the kind of world we live in?

[slawa]

A large exchange of prisoners was conducted on Thursday, February 16. Ukraine brought back 101 citizens. 94 of them are defenders of Mariupol, including 63 soldiers from Azovstal.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-brings-azovstal-defenders-from-captivity-back-home/

[KINGKONGDONK]

alright now this is just fucking insane, this is someshit right out of a movie.

ukranianian rambo destroys entire russian assault unit.
takes out a BMP firing, then chops down 1 guy storming the trench, chops down another behind him, takes put a PKM then lights up the other 2 guys in the brushes.

Sheer determination.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/114uu7k/full_video_with_no_cuts_and_no_music_of_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Summary

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/114uu7k/full_video_with_no_cuts_and_no_music_of_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

2minute high quality version

Summary

https://www.tiktok.com/@_lost_generation

[stoa1984]

@tempogain

Lol, you can’t be serious. Many people are murdered every year. Does that justify murder?

Nature is cruel therefore we are also entitled to be cruel.
- Adolf Hitler

Alas, this quote reveals how most powerful world’s leaders think.

Those who can’t correctly assess the main actors and the current world order’s rules are doomed to suffer, and to pay this mistake at the price of their lives.

This would be funny if it weren’t tragic.

Two recent cases.

Both Myanmareses and Ukrainians were conned into believing they could trust the international conventions and treaties.

Because of that fatal overconfidence they escalated with the false sense of superiority in their favor. Remove the international laws and they are naked.

The NO-FLY ZONE trap, that both Myanmarese opponents (PDF, NLD) and Ukraine begged QUAD and NATO respectively to impose never materialized.

These amateurs simply ignored that the use of no-fly zone is a privilege and not at all an international law, used at the discretion of the NATO for its own convenience only: against Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya.

The other dangerous hype was the Responsibility to Protect – known as R2P –.

▲ Fatal mistake: Calling for an imaginary savior.

▲ Fatal mistake: R2P

Presented falsely as an international norm, this magic umbrella was never deployed to save both Myanmareses and Ukrainians.

That is why these miscalculations have costed so far thousands of preventable Myanmarese and Ukrainian deaths.

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@TT

It is only if enough are determined enough to put their self on the line that there is someone for the US to support.
Look at Afghanistan, where great powers go to die.

Again, I must respectfully disagree.

Iran, Afghanistan, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, China, Venezuela, etc have something special in common. The real cause.

In all these regions, great powers have recently been defeated. Coincidence? I think not.
As a matter of fact, this can be explained by a theory, but this would be too long here and off-topic.

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@hansioux

It is exactly the mentality that great powers decide that got us into both world wars. The UN charter was written in hopes of preventing history from being repeated again.

The UN charter was not written in hopes of preventing history from being repeated again, but as an emergency face saver.

By simply overlooking the anger of the Western citizens who witnessed first hand the horrors of WW2, the Western elite and rulers would have been overthrown by a popular uprising.

The same most dreaded fear that was haunting the Western leaders since 1815.

Same goes for the annual commemorations of war deaths.

Indeed, the popular masses are easy to fool and appease.

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@discobot

Let’s talk about Ukraine. Will this nation be independent in 2032?
Without a doubt

Ukraine might survive but probably diminished in superficy.

@stoa1984

• First, the Israeli case is explained by the fact that many think the Hebrew Sate could be obliviated should it lose a war.

The Hebrew State could cease to exist before 80th anniversary, says ex-premier Barak

Saturday, 07 May 2022

[Former premier Ehud Barak] noted that many regimes, including those in the United States, Italy, and Russia, have experienced the curse of the eighth decade, and that The Hebrew State is no exception, drawing an analogy between Zionism and fascism, Nazim and communism.

According to Barak, the United States witnessed a civil war in the eighties, Italy became a fascist country in the eighth decade of its rule, Germany became a Nazi country in the eighth decade, and this eventually led to its defeat and disintegration and the Soviet Union also disintegrated in the eighth decade of the communist revolution.

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By forecasting the future of the Matrix-controlled wold order, one can expect the reboot of another State but located this time in Europe as a replacement of the current one of the Middle East.

This historical commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia, southern Ukraine, Crimea, and Kazakhstan was known as Khazaria and existed from the 7th to the 10th century.

Prelude

First, the dismantlement of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Crimea are prerequisites before core territories of Khazaria can be reclaimed.

Divided by an insurrectional war, the weakened Russian splinters would not be able to oppose the creation of the Khazarian State. Meanwhile, this new nation will see an influx of Ashkenaz population from both former Russian Federation splinters and war ravaged Ukraine.

For this end, NATO has repeatedly provoked Russia for decades, escalating tensions by crossing the obvious red line synonym of casus belli, in order to make sure Russia would take the bait, by retaliating militarily thus falling into this most deadly trap.

Russia planning massive military offensive against Ukraine involving 175,000 troops, U.S. intelligence warns

December 3, 2021

Putin has demanded the United States and its allies provide signed assurances excluding any expansion of NATO to include Ukraine and Georgia and limiting military activity near Russia’s borders, most notably in and around Ukraine.

The demands for a new European security pact come after Putin has suggested for months that U.S. and allied military activities in Ukraine and near Russia’s borders are crossing a red line for the Kremlin.

Russia needs “precise legal, judicial guarantees because our Western colleagues have failed to deliver on verbal commitments they made,” Putin said in a speech at the Kremlin this week, suggesting the start of “substantive talks on this topic.”

Putin has long railed against NATO expansion into former Warsaw Pact states as a disrespectful encroachment on Moscow. He said a concrete agreement must “rule out any further eastward expansion of NATO and the deployment of weapons systems posing a threat to us in close proximity to Russia’s territory.”

White House press secretary Jen Psaki rejected out of hand the idea that Washington would provide a guarantee that Ukraine will not enter NATO.

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The kiss of death

Preparing for the Final Collapse of the Soviet Union and the Dissolution of the Russian Federation

Dec 14, 2022

However, future historians will likely describe Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine as the most consequential moment, if not the final moment, of the Soviet Union’s collapse. When the war in Ukraine will end is unknown, but it will likely mark the dissolution of the Russian Federation (the legal successor of the Soviet Union) as it is known today. Russia has undeniably suffered a major blow to its economy, devastation to its military capability, and degradation of its influence in regions where it once had clout. The borders of the Russian Federation will likely not look the same on a map in 10 or 20 years as they do now. As the final collapse of the Soviet Union plays out and as the Russian Federation faces the possibility of dissolving, policymakers need to start planning for the new geopolitical reality on the Eurasian landmass.

Goals

After the dissolution of the Russian Federation, the United States should pursue a set of achievable goals that narrowly focus on the American national interest. Specifically, the US will need to:

• Contain any spillover from internal Russian fighting.
• Account for Russia’s stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.
• etc…

Planning Assumptions

• Russia will further fragment.
• China and Turkey will try to fill the power vacuum across Eurasia.
• Private armed groups will proliferate.

Conclusion

The success of Ukraine on the battlefield against Russia could offer a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to put Russia back inside its geopolitical box for a generation. This would create a new geopolitical reality not seen in a generation.

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Moscow Compares West’s Russia Policy to Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’

Jan. 18, 2023

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Wednesday likened Western policies on Russia to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s planned “Final Solution” for Europe’s Jews.

Moscow’s top diplomat — whose comments on Hitler and Jews led to President Vladimir Putin issuing a rare apology on his behalf last year — made the comparison at his annual press conference.

“Just as Napoleon mobilized practically all of Europe against the Russian Empire, just as Hitler mobilized and captured… the majority of European countries and sent them against the Soviet Union, now the United States has organized a coalition,” Lavrov said.

Western countries, he said, are “by proxy through Ukraine waging war against our country.”

“The task is the same: the final solution of the ‘Russian question.’ Just as Hitler wanted to finally solve the Jewish question.”

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Aftermath

Commentary

2 APR 2020

Read and research yourself, history don’t lied, only fork tongue revisionists white washing history. Please google Khazaria and learn the obliviated truth.

All of today’s Ukraine and Caucasus Russia between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea were once the homeland of the Khazarians.

By the 9th century, Viking Rus’ would start to pound and repeatedly invade, ultimately destroying this empire in 968.

The rest is continuous migration in today’s Israel of the diaspora, but their homeland is and should be again reestablished in the Caucasus.

Once the 250’000 deaths mark is reached in the former core territories of Khazaria currently under Ukrainian-Russian sovereignty, the various ethnic splinter factions of the Caucasus should be encouraged in their independence armed struggle with weapon shipments.

After a decade of insurgency, the restoration of the Khazarian State should be encouraged and patronized by the Taiwanese secret service. This new buffer state would be essential to contain both Viking, Roman-Ottoman and Persian imperialism.

At the same time the new Khazarian State would become a key maritime and land node in Taiwan’s sphere of interest linking both the Middle East in the South, to the various newly founded Mongolic States in the North, to the Mediterranean World in the West.

[BiggusDickus]

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@discobot

Let’s talk about Ukraine. Will this nation be independent in 2032?
Without a doubt

Ukraine might survive but probably diminished in superficy.

@stoa1984

Does discobot discuss geopolitics? AI?

[tempogain]

What do you have to say about the state of geopolitics today, @discobot quote

[discobot]

There is no retirement for an artist, it’s your way of living so there is no end to it. — Henry Moore

[tempogain]

There’s no end to it, that’s for sure. How do you feel about the rise of AI, @discobot quote

[discobot]

Memory is the mother of all wisdom. — Samuel Johnson

[BiggusDickus]

@discobot

Memory is the mother of all wisdom. — Samuel Johnson

discobot better start getting his quotations right

[discobot]

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[TT]

What about creation, not just regurgitation

@discobot quote

[discobot]

The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart. — Buddha

[BiggusDickus]

@discobot

The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart. — Buddha

Stop making shit up

[stoa1984]

@hansioux

For the Taiwanese people, whether the KMT regime survives is irrelevant, much like the survival of the Third Reich is irrelevant to the people of Yugoslavia. To those being occupied illegally, all that matters is to get a chance of self-determination.

Alas, the fate of the world was sealed with either this world order or a Japanese one.

@stoa1984

The above fully demonstrates that instead of living today in the Pax Americana, the second most likely other ahistorical probability is for us to live under a Japanese-lead world order, called the Pax Nipponica.

Japan had more than 93.75% chance (15/16) of achieving the first ever world conquest back in 1936.

See, Taiwan would have been under Chinese control:

▲ Pax Nipponica: Ahistorical Timeline of the Neo-Chinese road to exo-diplomatic victory, after 4000 years of civilization.
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[TT]

@stoa1984

See, Taiwan would have been under Chinese control:

Who made this chart, Nostradamus?

[stoa1984]

@TT

Who made this chart, Nostradamus?

Well, there is no supernatural intervention, only hard work.

And indeed, OSINT reaching divine level accuracy have already been demonstrated back in 2020:

In 2020, I posted in a military forum a commentary where I described a future war waged by Russia against NATO to capitalize on the COVID-19 toll in the West.

I even stated that COVID-19 was bio-engineered in Russia’s biolab Biopreparat and unleashed prior to the planned massive attack.

The outcome was a decisive Russian military victory, with an occupation as far as Hawaii in the south.

Well, sometime later I was banned from that forum. Sad for the free speech.

Today I would even suspect that Moscow’s military leaders might have been inspired by my post and put it into practice.

Note this is not an accusation, and not a smearing campaign, only sharing my famous and time-honored OSINT work online.

Someone asked, how did @stoa1984 knew Russia was planning a massive war with NATO? Well, back in the summer 2019, @stoa1984 noticed an increase of Russian PSYOPS on the internet, aimed at capitalising on the nuclear holocaust fear fallacy, targeting the West’s opinion.

This predictive science called ‘Forumancy’ by and developed to a form of Art by @stoa1984 is focussed on finding clues for future world events through the study of all internet forums.

@stoa1984 concluded that only an unprecedented major military confrontation between the 2 nuclear superpowers would benefit from this kind of scare tactics.

Two years later the news headlines didn’t disprove @stoa1984’s analysis.

As a bonus, @stoa1984 can disclose his view on the future development in this Ukrainian Escalation War.

First as the ulterior goal is not the control of Ukraine by either Kiev or Moscow, but the disintegration of both foes, prerequisite for the rebirth of the Askhenaz state of Khazaria, the war must increase both in destructiveness and length.

Proof, the Ukrainian push to repel all Russian forces from their core territories have been systematically hindered by SpaceX.

SpaceX admits blocking Ukrainian troops from using satellite technology

February 9, 2023

The president of SpaceX revealed the company has taken active steps to prevent Ukrainian forces from using the critical Starlink satellite technology with Ukrainian drones that are a key component of their fight against Russia.

“There are things that we can do to limit their ability to do that,” Gwynne Shotwell told reporters on Wednesday, referencing reports on Starlink and drone use. “There are things that we can do, and have done.”

Starlink was never meant to be used militarily in the way that it has, Shotwell argued, saying the company didn’t foresee how profoundly – and creatively – Ukrainian forces would rely on the technology.

“It was never intended to be weaponized,” Shotwell told an audience at a space conference. “However, Ukrainians have leveraged it in ways that were unintentional and not part of any agreement.”

Shotwell’s admission that SpaceX, which was founded by Elon Musk, has prevented Ukrainian soldiers from fully using the technology confirms the long-standing belief that Musk and the company are uneasy with Ukraine’s military use of Starlink.

Speaking with reporters after, Shotwell argued that Starlink had sent units to Ukraine to “keep the banks going, hospitals, keep families connected.”

“We know the military is using them for comms, and that’s OK,” Shotwell added. “But our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes.”

Last October, Musk angered Ukrainians, including President Volodymyr Zelensky, for proposing a peace plan on Twitter that argued Ukraine just give up efforts to reclaim Crimea and cede control of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.
That same month, there were reports that the Starlink signal had been restricted and was not available past the front line as Ukrainian troops tried to advance, essentially hamstringing their efforts to retake territory from the Russians. Those reports of the outages fueled accusations that Musk was kowtowing to Russia.

“That has affected every effort of the Ukrainians to push past that front,” a person familiar with the outages told CNN in October. “Starlink is the main way units on the battlefield have to communicate.”
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SpaceX had never envisioned that Starlink would be used in Ukraine the way it has been, Shotwell said, echoing coverage and accounts of Ukrainian troops’ ingenuity on the battlefield.

“Honestly,” she said, “I don’t even think we thought about it. You know, it could be used that way? We didn’t think about it. I didn’t think about it. Our Starlink team may have, I don’t know. But we’ve learned pretty quickly.”

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Starlink could have even allowed to guide with a mobile phone in-real time Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles right to the Kremlin.

And that is precisely what is forbidden by the rules, as Hunger Gamers ’ must stay inside the Arena and expire there.

In addition, a quick collapse of Russia is not allowed either.

Remember, according to the Marxist principle of ‘history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce’, the military intervention of China in the Korean War was triggered by the annihilation of the North Korean forces in 1950.

This time the red line is the annihilation of Russian forces. As Moscow has nearly depleted all its military stockpile, China will send in reinforcements. Like previously in North Korea, where the Chinese armed expeditionary forces was instructed to not go beyond the 38th parallel north and take South Korean territories, this help will not allow the conquest of lands beyond the Ukrainian borders.

US fears China may provide Russia with lethal weapons – Blinken

19 February 2023

According to Blinken, in a conversation with Chinese State Councilor and Director of the CCP Central Foreign Affairs Office Wang Yi, he “had an opportunity <…> to share our [the US’] very real concerns about China’s support for Russia.” “What we’ve seen over the past years is, of course, some political and rhetorical support, even some non-lethal support. But we’re very concerned that China’s considering providing lethal support to Russia,” the US Secretary of State said.

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Let us examine what kind of military assistance China could offer to Russia.

This time we will use the predictive science called ‘Videomancy’ by and developed to a form of Art by @stoa1984 and focussed on finding clues for future world events through the study of hints pertaining to the sentient Big Data A.I. SKYNET Matrix, intentionally leaked by the ▄▄▄▄▄ in movies, TV serials, documentaries and other video media.

Videomancy

Outside the Wire 2021 ’ is a 2021 American science fiction action film directed by Mikael Håfström. It stars Anthony Mackie (who also produced) as an android officer who works with a drone pilot (Damson Idris) to stop a global catastrophe.

In 2036, a civil war between pro-Russian insurgents and a resistance movement in Ukraine leads the US to deploy peacekeeping forces. During an operation, a team of US Marines and robotic soldiers, called "G.U.M.P."s, are ambushed.

▲ 1. OUTSIDE THE WIRE 2021: videomancy of U.S. wheeled self-driving vehicle and robotic armies.

This is only one movie among many others to have depicted an imminent near-future war in an undisclosed Slavic region.

It is therefore assumed that the next phases of the war will be waged with robots. Complementing human military personnel.

Look at these, this is not CGI:

Of course, specialized military type of quadruped bionic robots would carry a small caliber automatic gun.

▲ The China Ordnance Equipment Group Corporation (中国兵器装备集团公司) quadruped bionic robot carrying 7.62 mm caliber automatic gun with targeting optics and radar, is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 1’200 m, machine gun named QBB-97 can fire 650 rounds per minute at a range of 400 m.

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Meanwhile larger quadrupedal bionic robots would be able to carry missiles to provide anti-air and anti-tank support.

▲ 人民军队主战主用的新型“尖刀铁拳”。《砺剑》 20230209 智胜未来 陆海奇兵。2023-02-09 22:06

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Conclusion, we might soon see an escalation with the deployment by Russian forces of Chinese robotic bipedal, quadrupedal units along aerial drones and Micro Remotely Piloted Aircrafts (MRPA).

Слава Хазари!

[KINGKONGDONK]

U.S. believes China is considering giving Russia weapons

it begins.

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