President Volodymyr Zelensky, a political dilettante and former TV comedian, swept into office last April on a promise to end the war in eastern Ukraine, which has killed more than 14,000 people since 2014.
He failed to deliver.
Hobbled from the beginning by poor communication, especially with his domestic audience, his team has yet to offer their Russian adversaries or the Ukrainian public a coherent vision for peace – namely for how to make the controversial 2014-2015 Minsk agreements, which entail return of Donbass’s Russian-backed enclaves to Kyiv’s control, acceptable to all sides.
Zelensky surprised his constituents with the announcement that Ukraine had accepted the so-called Steinmeier Formula. This formula, proposed by German Foreign Minister (now President) Frank-Walter Steinmeier in fall of 2016, was intended to jump-start Minsk implementation. It re-affirms Ukraine’s commitment to reintegrate the enclaves under “special status”
Protests ensued under the slogan “No to Capitulation”, uniting far-right activists, frustrated combat veterans, seasoned statesmen and much of the Kyiv intelligentsia. Far-right activists – cheered on by many liberals – then set up an armed checkpoint to prevent disengagement in a frontline town. It took the interior ministry two weeks to сompel them to remove their weapons, after which disengagement proceeded.
He failed because the far right element (the same one John McCain supported no doubt and Victoria Nuland supported) couldn’t and wouldn’t accept peace as it was touted as “Capitulation”
The same far right element that many are pretending doesn’t exist by the way.
They’re called neocons, and they are in both republican and democratic political parties. They love war, hate peace, and put other countries’ citizens into the death meat grinder.
Yup! That’s one name for them, they could care a less about the label Republican or Democrat and switch sides as readily as donning a new hat. It’s hard concept for those who have taken a side and look at everything through a Democrat vs Republican lens to grasp, they aint like the rest of us.
War is not unthinkable to them as it is to most people, it’s just another tool for the toolbox.
Maybe they wouldn’t accept “peace” because it obviously involved parts of their country being unilaterally and continuously lopped off and a clear desire for complete subordination as part of the package, and if you don’t go along, here’s a nice invasion and bomb the crap out of you! Great peace there was on offer. Why didn’t they go for it? Crazy right wingers.
I don’t agree there couldn’t have been found a way for peace and a roadmap for eventual integration back into Ukraine, although it might have been at the cost of a short (relatively speaking) acknowledgement of the region being autonomous. Most people in that region still wanted to be a part of Ukraine, I guess they didn’t appreciate the being bombed part by a far right leaning groups of ultra nationalists who despised Russians and anyone speaking Russian.
That went both ways. What would happen if Ukraine unilaterally invaded a part of Russia because Ukrainian-speaking people lived there? Russia has only shown aggression throughout this period. They don’t want peace unless it means controlling Ukraine. Belorus is getting that now. They’ll have peace as a part of Russia.
More like because Ihor Kolomoisky was funding an army of ultra nationalists to fight in the Donbass and who was funding him?
Ah yes, no one is allowed to ask those sorts of questions about what was going on in Ukraine, when Trump brought it up they impeached him because it happened under Joe Bidens watch and he brought it up a year before Biden ran as a candidate for President. Same people no doubt are cheering on the multiple indictments pending the leading candidate for the Republican party without sensing an ounce of irony in the outrage of the former and smiling acquiescence of the latter.
Sure we are, but when you put it like this I lose interest. Starting with this (edit: Ihor Kolomoisky) is better than saying other people are asking stupid questions.
No we are not, the twitter files makes it clear, they push narratives and even truths are shouted down if they might hurt the overall narrative.
Why do you think this is different in the Ukraine/Russia war? Obvious truths like the ultra nationalists and the far right are played down. They certainly didn’t want talk about biolabs, we all saw how heavy handed they came down on that, although Victoria Nuland then went on to testify “why yes there are indeed biolabs in Ukraine and we are in fact worried the contents might get into the hands of the Russians” whether normal or not, we don’t know because no one is allowed to talk about them. Anyone asked why Hunter Biden was investing in a firm called Metabiota in Ukraine? No? I don’t recall anyone asking that at a press briefing. Russians have been brining it up, but we are not allowed to talk about it apparently.
I disagree. Had people really commit to helping Ukraine build up their ability to defend against Russia like Victoria Nuland urged, Putin would have recognized occupying Kyiv would be a cake walk, and never made that stupid decision to begin with. Nuland basically pointed out Kremlin has to keep finding justifications for Putin’s permanent hold on power, and military success and territorial gains had been Putin’s ticket, and therefore more appeasement would only encourage Putin to continue, and that’s exactly what happened.
That’s your right and your opinion, doesn’t mean other people didn’t see this shit storm coming from a mile off.
Conclusion
Victoria Nuland has promoted a foreign policy of intervention through coups, proxy wars, aggression, and ongoing occupations. The policy has been implemented with bloody and disastrous results in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine.
With consummate hypocrisy she accuses Russia of spreading misinformation in the US, while she openly seeks to put “stress on Putin where he is vulnerable, including among his own citizens.” She wants to “establish permanent bases along NATO’s eastern border and increase the pace and visibility of joint training exercises.”
Victoria Nuland is the queen of chicken hawks, the Lady Macbeth of perpetual war. There are hundreds of thousands of victims from the policies she has promoted. Yet she has not received a scratch. On the contrary, Victoria Nuland probably has profited from a stock portfolio filled with military contractors.
Now Victoria Nuland wants to provoke, threaten and “rollback” Russia. A quick look at a map of US military bases shows who is threatening whom.
Victoria Nuland is highly dangerous and should not be confirmed.
This was the opinion of many, you are indeed welcome to your opinion, we might disagree n who is right and wrong though.
I have been trying to bring up the issue of Ukraine for years, no one on here was in the least bit interested. In the years following Trumps victory I was asking what the hell was going on, no one I can recall wanted to talk about Ukraine. Even when Trump was indicted I asked “hold on, doesn’t anyone want to talk about what was going on in Ukraine”. Nope, indict the mother fucker is the best I got.
Putin and the Chinese leadership took note when Bush gave false justifications to invade Iraq, and were already determined to do the same to expand their own influences. By the time of the Arab Spring, China and Russia were already actively engaged in Afghanistan and Syria, with or without the US being there. The US can of course appease, and back out of any area Russia and China are playing a hand, but what Russian and China want is for the US to back out of every bit of African, Asian and European territory.
Coming from someone who seems obsessed with lizard people, I will count my lucky stars you know how the world works.
Still did not answer why your Team America was flying drones in the Black Sea.
Coz ov ‘international airspace’ innit.
