That’s mean.
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This isn’t a serious response. If you can’t respond to what people actually post, please ignore them
reconnoitring
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Lovely weather for flying there this time of year.
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I have read your exchange of opinions with kingkongdonk, I have to admit, I have tried to do the same trick with cake a couple of days ago, he might not have noticed as the moderators are very quick! Abstract vs personal. I respect the work of the moderators, we have to tread lightly to keep it civilized on this volatile ground.
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I think your view of the whole situation is too americentric (the same applies for cake). You present Victoria Nulland as not like some lay bureaucrat, but a mastermind bestowed with evil powers to unleash the wars. But you choose to ignore the long history of Russia and Ukraine. Either before the Maidan in 2013 and Nulland’s cookies, or even back to 17 century.
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You overexaggerate the Nazis discourse. Mind you, there are three post-soviet independent nations on the Eastern side of the Baltic Sea, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. They are a part of EU and they are a part of NATO. Luckily for them they were fast to jump into these clubs to feel safe. And they are all Nazis from the point of view of the Russian propaganda, long story to go… Just extrapolate to Ukraine. How we define the notion of “Nazi” now?
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I understand that the prices for gas have arisen in Europe. Germany gave up her nuclear energetics, reduced her Bundeswehr to absolute minimum. Got absolutely dependent on one bunker madman controlling a gaspipe. Is there a realization in Germany that something was wrong with such situation?
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Francis Fukuyama cancelled history (also americentric concept), but old good history continues. You may feel comfy in your old good world, but somehow Pu recreated the old good world with trenches and waves of human meat. Wake up to your new reality. Appeasement? Chamberlain?
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By the way, your links on Nulland’s biolaboratories in Ukraine are bullshit.
I didn’t link any. I can provide her congressional testimony if you would like, it’s part of the record. Should be easy enough to look up, just search on youtube, Marco Rubio and Victoria Nuland on biolabs.
edit/ Here you go
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@Mick was alone in International Politics and US Politics for a long time, he’s a damn good moderator and I hope one day to be half as good
Of course he’s flat out wrong on all the things we disagree on, yet strangely sensible on all the rest, but a fine moderator all the same
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Basically, what I hear is one bureaucrat talking about some shit she is not completele aware of, and at thar time she does not realize what storm it would unleash!
As a professional biologist, I will make a claim: in our world, any biological weapon is useless, why everyone has to listen to an american bureaucrat? There are biolabs in Africa, Mongolia, everywhere, why not make research labs?
Well basically she is saying exactly what I said she was saying, so no, not bullshit and not wanting to get into a larger discussion on biolabs except to point out the Twitter files reveals we like to burry truths when they hurt the larger narrative.
The larger narrative here is Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is defending themselves, which I agree with. I just don’t think it’s necessary to pretend there aren’t ultra nationalists there too, the two things can be true. There can be biolabs and Putin is still the bad guy we don’t need to pretend they don’t exist.
Do you know the rationale behind why they like to bury some truths which they feel may hurt the larger more important narrative?
Surely you support Serbia what with what happened when militias from a part of Serbia decided they wanted their own state?
That would of course put you against Team NATO which, unlike in Ukraine, backed a country losing part of its territory.
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It is not that someone buries the truth by denying access to certain faclities. It is just general safety protocols. When I just joined one animal research facility in one of the major hospitals in Taipei, as an introductory tour, they brought me to this special basement, my companion had special 刷卡, then had to go through a couple of disinfection gates. There are mice, rats, rabbits, pigs, monkeys. You may walk around as a patient on top of this huge hospital, and you never realize what is going on beneath you. Some curious patient who is too bored would decide to go to this basements, he will be stopped at multiple checkpoints. This biolab does only BSL2, BSL3 (Covid shit), have to outsource. Another hospital. It is always a horizontal network of research, joint grants, funding research bodies, sharing American money with other country money, just normal activity. But once the political situation explodes, it might be used as a proof for some global conspiracy or other shit. Biological weapons make no sense, no point to attach them to Ukraine.
cake once claimed that Ukraine refused the entire Orthodox Religion. cake, come back and remember your this very post, would you remember your post by now?
No recollection of that.
I did say something along the lines of laws have changed, and certain religions are being banned in Ukraine. I probably also provided a link.
Have you been drinking alcohol?
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one case of it:
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On 5 January 2019, Bartholomew I, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, signed the tomos that officially recognized and established the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and granted it autocephaly (self-governorship). The events immediately leading to the grant of autocephaly were:
- On 11 October 2018, the synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate announced that it would “proceed to the granting of autocephaly to the Church of Ukraine”,[1] making it independent from the Russian Orthodox Church.
- This decision led the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church to break communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate on 15 October 2018, which marked the beginning of the 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism.[2][3]
- On 15 December 2018 a unification council founded the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
- On 5 January 2019, Patriarch Bartholomew signed the tomos of autocephaly of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine [uk].
Sounds like lots of Ukraine. Maybe Kievan Rus?
Stalin just allowed the Church during the WWII, the top officials of the Church in Moscow, they were all under ther roof special agents. Nothing to do with the Church of Constantinople, and they gave a tomos to Ukrainian church.
Kiev Lavra is the most sacred place in Orthodox Christianity. On 5 January 2019 Bartholomew II of Constantinople, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople signed the tomos that officially recognized and established the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and granted it autocephaly.
Let’s be honest, Russia could have engaged in talks instead of annexing Crimea, but that wouldn’t get Putin what he wanted. There could have been talks instead of organizing, training, funding, and supplying a separatist insurgency that historically didn’t exist. There could have been talks before launching the invasion last year, instead of denying there was going to be any invasion at all.
If Putin wanted to talk, “talk or we’ll invade” would have made sense, instead of “oh these are just routine exercises, nothing to worry about”. Yes, I paraphrase.
I think everyone was surprised by the motivation and ability of the Ukranians to slow then reverse the assault. The vaunted Russian offensive after conscripting recruits and regrouping either fizzled quickly or didn’t happen at all.
My guess is it fizzled quickly, and they have no surprises left. And they know there will be new tanks in the field soon and so they take out some family heirlooms and we start hearing about peace talks from Xi and Medvedev.
Serious talks would take into account that Russia launched this war and it is not going well for them. Return of all annexed territory, reparations, war crimes: if all three are off the table why should the Ukrainians who have sacrificed so much snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
It is their country (well, except the debateable eastern bits), and I’m not fighting, so of course if they choose to entertain the Russian demands that’s their choice. But if they choose to keep going, I can understand why.
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It’s kind of fun to wonder what the US stance would have been if that happened!
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